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What Would Happen if the Earth Were Actually Flat?

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If Earth were flat, you’d know it, because a lot of things would work differently. Photo: Pexels

By Doug Main

Welcome to the new year, 2018. The Earth has yet again made a revolution about the sun. But not so fast. If you subscribe to the idea of a flat Earth, then you’d believe that no such thing happened, because the sun rotates in a circle around the sky.

Humans have known for thousands of years that the planet is round, yet the belief in a flat Earth refuses to die. Members of the Flat Earth Society and several celebrities, including Atlanta rapper B.o.B and NBA player Kyrie Irving, claim to hold such beliefs. Let’s examine, then, how the well-known principles of physics and science would work (or not) on a flat Earth.

Gravity Fails

First of all, a pancaked planet might not have any gravity. It’s unclear how gravity would work, or be created, in such a world, says James Davis, a geophysicist at Columbia University’s Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory. That’s a pretty big deal, since gravity explains a wide range of Earthly and cosmic observations. The same measurable force that causes an apple to fall from a tree also causes the moon to orbit the Earth and all the planets to orbit the sun.

People who believe in a flat Earth assume that gravity would pull straight down, but there’s no evidence to suggest it would work that way. What we know about gravity suggests it would pull toward the center of the disk. That means it would only pull straight down at one point on the center of the disk. As you got increasingly far from the center, gravity would tug more and more horizontally. This would have some strange impacts, like sucking all the water toward the center of the world, and making trees and plants grow diagonally, since they develop in the opposite direction of gravity’s pull.

Solar Problems

Then there’s the sun. In the scientifically supported model of the solar system, the Earth revolves around the sun because the latter is much more massive and has more gravity. However, the Earth doesn’t fall into the sun because it is traveling in an orbit. In other words, the sun’s gravity isn’t acting alone. The planet is also traveling in a direction perpendicular to the star’s gravitational tug; if it were possible to switch off that gravity, the Earth would shoot away in a straight line and hightail it out of the solar system. Instead, the linear momentum and the sun’s gravity combine, resulting in a circular orbit around the sun.

The flat Earth model places our planet at the center of the universe, but doesn’t suggest that the sun orbits the Earth. Rather, the sun circles over the top side of the world like a carousel, broadcasting light and warmth downward like a desk lamp. Without the linear, perpendicular momentum that helps generate an orbit, it’s unclear what force would keep the sun and moon hovering above the Earth, Davis says, instead of crashing into it.

Likewise, in a flat world, satellites likely wouldn’t be possible. How would they orbit a plane? “There are a number of satellite missions that society depends on that just wouldn’t work,” Davis says. For this reason, he says, “I cannot think of how GPS would work on a flat Earth.”

If the sun and moon just loop around one side of a flat Earth, there could presumably be a procession of days and nights. But it wouldn’t explain seasons, eclipses and many other phenomena. The sun would also presumably have to be smaller than Earth so as to not burn up or bump into our planet or the moon. However, we know the sun to be more than 100 times the diameter of the Earth.

Removing Heaven and Earth

Deep below ground, the solid core of the Earth generates the planet’s magnetic field. But in a flat planet, that would have to be replaced by something else. Perhaps a flat sheet of liquid metal. That, however, wouldn’t rotate in a way that creates a magnetic field. Without a magnetic field, charged particles from the sun would fry the planet. They could strip away the atmosphere, as they did after Mars lost its magnetic field, and the air and oceans would escape into space.

Tectonic plate movement and seismicity depend on a round Earth, because only on a sphere do all the plates fit together in a sensible way, Davis says. Movements of plates on one side of the Earth effect movements on the other. The areas of the Earth that create crust, like the mid-Atlantic ridge, are counterbalanced by places that consume crust, like subduction zones. On a flat Earth, none of this could be adequately explained. There’d also have to be an explanation for what happens to plates at the edge of the world. One could imagine they might fall off, but that would presumably jeopardize the proposed wall that prevents people from falling off the disk-shaped world.

map of flat earth
How some Flat Earthers map out the planet. The Arctic is at the center, and an “ice wall” around the edges supposedly prevents people from falling off. Image: Wiki Commons

Perhaps one of the most glaring oddities is that the proposed map of the flat Earth is totally different. It places the Arctic at the center while Antarctica forms an “ice wall” around the edges. In such a world, travel would look very different. Flying from Australia to certain parts of Antarctica would, for example, take forever—you’d have to travel over the Arctic and both Americas to get there. In addition, certain real-world feats, such as traveling across Antarctica (which has been done many times), would be impossible.

Falling Flat

Contrary to popular belief, it’s a misconception that many societies of serious, educated people ever actually believed in the flat Earth theory. “With extraordinary few exceptions, no educated person in the history of Western Civilization from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat,” historian Jeffrey Burton Russell noted in 1997. “A round Earth appears at least as early as the sixth century B.C. with Pythagoras, who was followed by Aristotle, Euclid, and Aristarchus, among others in observing that the earth was a sphere.”

As the scientist and writer Stephen Jay Gould once wrote, the idea that many people—including the Spaniards and Christopher Columbus—believed the Earth to be flat was largely concocted by 19th century writers such as Washington Irving, Jean Letronne and others. Letronne was “an academic of strong anti-religious prejudices… who cleverly drew upon both to misrepresent the church fathers and their medieval successors as believing in a flat earth,” Russell noted.

In any case, while it’s fun to imagine counterfactual scenarios, science proceeds by coming up with theories to explain observations. When it comes to these theories, the simpler, the better, Davis says. The flat Earth idea, however, clearly begins with the idea that the planet is planar, and then attempts to twist other observations to its benefit. You can find odd explanations for individual phenomena under this framework, says Davis, but “it falls apart pretty quickly.”

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Lynn Kempen
6 years ago

It is painfully obvious you have not investigated the Flat Earth theory.
Proverbs 18:13 He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.

Please explain why we no longer have the technology to send a man through the Van Allen belt. Then give me one example of the alleged curve, which, per your model’s dimensions, drops 8″ per every mile squared (8″ in 1st mile, 32″ at 2nd mile, 72″ at 3 miles.) This is should be readily documentable on any large body of water. Yet, there is not one physical example found on Earth.

1 Thess 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Sarah Fecht
Reply to  Lynn Kempen
6 years ago

Hi Lynn,

We don’t have the technology to send humans through the Van Allen belt because the U.S. stopped making rockets that are meant for human spaceflight, period. NASA and SpaceX are currently working on fixing that with the SLS and Falcon Heavy.

Further reading: https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round

bogart
bogart
Reply to  Sarah Fecht
4 years ago

We don’t have technology to push in nothing (rockets in vacuum). The Globe theory fails majorly in few aspects: Full moon in day time is IMPOSSIBLE. We should see Venus only on day sky always, yet it appears on night sky. if you think it went past horizon u just need some huge lenses and zoom in. SURPRISE it appeared again. navigators do this all the time. Ohh water has a property: it shows the perfectly flat level. And lastly why would you name a spinning rock PLANet? Plan means flat, et or est in latin: is flat

Mel
Mel
Reply to  bogart
4 years ago

Actually we do, i literally just saw something about it. Firing a rocket into an asteroid to deflect it slightly. We dont have towing technology yet but we do have the means to deflect a hazardous comet or asteroid

Jay Dog
Jay Dog
Reply to  Mel
4 years ago

Gods word is true hasnt anyone heard of the fermament, He placed the sun, moon and starts in it, thats why on a cloudy day the suns rays display crepuscular Rays, same as a street light shining through fog the rays splayed out from a localized light source just like the sun it’s only about 3,000 miles in the sky set in the fermerment.

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  Jay Dog
3 years ago

Find an online dictionary and look up for the meaning of the word Firmament, it doesn’t mean the atmosphere, or the dome… it means the Heavens or space.

Tray
Tray
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

I’m sure that’s a recent change. When one reads the Bible it says God created the firmament to divide the waters above from the waters below. Seriously don’t think air or space can divide waters above and below with a barrier. Fi

Phelix Vanzant
Phelix Vanzant
Reply to  Tray
3 years ago

If what you stated is true then the firmament was released during the flood.

Nicholas Collins
Nicholas Collins
Reply to  Phelix Vanzant
1 year ago

It was also rolled open again later after the flood.

Mario
Mario
Reply to  Phelix Vanzant
1 year ago

Only partially, if you read the Holly Scripts, you will see that firmament was open, and the water came from below, from the earth itself. Even today earth is full of natural water deep beneath…

Nicholas Pappapetru
Nicholas Pappapetru
Reply to  Phelix Vanzant
8 months ago

There is no flat earth model period

DaBomb
Reply to  Tray
2 years ago

Why does it always have to be about God? Science just simply proves this!!!

Your Face
Reply to  DaBomb
2 years ago

Well I believe science is completely correct and the earth is round *Obviously* But for my beliefs, God Is One To Be Thankful To And Loved

sidy
sidy
Reply to  Your Face
2 years ago

Are you sure your understanding of God purpose is tune with truth ?

Vernon L Brannon
Vernon L Brannon
Reply to  DaBomb
2 years ago

Because God put everything in place and holds it all together.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Vernon L Brannon
1 year ago

God doesn’t “personally hold it all together”…
He created the Laws of Physics to do the “holding” for him. You should consider that God as the Creator, implies that everything that exists; matter, energy and the effects of physics are of his creation and that would include the Laws of Physics. In simple words, he created the laws of physics such as gravity to hold everything together… otherwise He would have had to be permanently holding the Universe together, and on the first Sabbath or Sunday, when he took his first rest, it all would have fallen apart.

Nicholas Collins
Nicholas Collins
Reply to  JoeBlack
1 year ago

The Sabbath is Saturday.. not Sunday..

Juan
Juan
Reply to  Nicholas Collins
1 year ago

Correctamundo! Mr. Collins! Mr. JoeBlack must be from our friendly Church folks up there around the great city of Rome, Italy, the Vatican City. The Sabbath is the last day of the week, Saturday. Maybe it’s a type O!

JoeBlack
Reply to  Nicholas Collins
1 year ago

You lost the meaning: Sabbath or Sunday, whichever applies to the reader, because everyone counts, whatever their religion.

Mario
Mario
Reply to  Nicholas Collins
1 year ago

Yes, the Sabbath is the Holy Day of rest. The Holy Day of rest was replaced by sunday, thanks to the Catholic church…even that is forbidden to change the Holy Scriptures words…

Chris
Chris
Reply to  Nicholas Collins
1 year ago

And, you’re actually incorrect. The Sabbath is from Friday at sundown and ends Saturday at sundown. Either way, you deflected by from his point by nitpicking, and ignored his point, which is that God rested on the seventh day.

Kyle
Kyle
Reply to  Nicholas Collins
1 year ago

No proof our Saturday is Gods 7th day. In fact following Israel’s ancient calendar makes the 7th day eventually fall on every day of our week. . Sabbath just means rest , man was to work 6 and then rest . That rest can fall on any day of the week. On many European calendars Sunday is the 7th day

Dan Herlihy
Dan Herlihy
Reply to  Kyle
1 year ago

The Romans used an eight day week/cycle until 321 AD when Constantine decreed there would be a seven-day week in the Roman calendar and set Sunday as the first day of the week.

David
David
Reply to  Nicholas Collins
11 months ago

What if the sabbath was lunar based and not by the popes calendar? Who thought to change times and laws?

Ernesto
Ernesto
Reply to  JoeBlack
1 year ago

Great reply. I 100% agree with you. And one of the glaring facts that bothers me about most flat earthers is that they make the word of God basically a manual to understand how the earth is flat and if you and that is basically God’s msg for us to know, when in really the word of God doesn’t even imply that any of this is important, but even tells us in Job that most things in Gods creation are far beyond our comprehension. My question to you my flat earth friends is; how serious do you take the easy to understand scripture, such as how to live, to turn from sin. To not love the world and so on.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Ernesto
1 year ago

Thanks… true that the shape of the Earth is not important to God, as is its natural function does what he intended, without his constant intervention to keep it “running”… and the flat model wouldn’t be able to do that… and if you add that it wouldn’t work according to the Laws of Physics, the model would be an instant failure, beginning with its high and heavy atmosphere that would crush all life on it… without a Sun to provide the heat and energy that regulate the temperatures that favor all life, feed the vegetable kingdom, etc…

Jamie
Jamie
Reply to  Ernesto
10 months ago

Exactly! This is what I’ve been telling my flat earth friend. His obsession with this topic has become a distraction to what he should be doing as a believer (sharing the Gospel). I just had a gospel conversation with a flat earther and he even admitted this….that he was too consumed with it. We turned our conversation to Christ and his words about salvation and this young man accepted Jesus and became part of his kingdom forever. Praise God!

CHRISTA ABMA
CHRISTA ABMA
Reply to  JoeBlack
1 year ago

The Bible says God gave the sun/ moon/stars their paths in the sky and the seasons… so God did create Laws for them, he doesn’t have to hand hold them thankfully!!

JSW
JSW
Reply to  JoeBlack
1 year ago

I love what Joe Black said! I believe in science – and! in a Creator Entity. I never personally found the two to be mutually exclusive…

David
David
Reply to  JoeBlack
11 months ago

Sunday is not the 7th day.

Markcomp
Markcomp
Reply to  JoeBlack
10 months ago

@joeBlack Collossians 1:17 would disagree with you

Kyle
Kyle
Reply to  DaBomb
1 year ago

Because without God there is no science

Preston
Reply to  Kyle
10 months ago

Then why is science slowly but surely disproving alot of your religious text? Therefore slowly eroding the spaghetti monster in the sky himself then?

Brad
Brad
Reply to  DaBomb
1 year ago

Bazaar ideology why even argue with them? Im sure flat earthers this is simply an attempt to shame christianity by bringing out wacko’s who insist the earth is flat. They argue by speculation yet provide not one point of legitimate theory to counter existing theory. This is a group of people that have been lied to by so many people that they don’t believe anyone anymore.

Justin Harvey
Justin Harvey
Reply to  Tray
1 year ago

Atmosphere is space, it is not, outer space. Atmosphere has the clouds (water above), Oceans (water below.)
Gen 7:11 says the waters of the flood came from the great deep, and from the heavens.

Preston
Reply to  Tray
10 months ago

Actually air can easily displace about any liquid, so your theory on the magic invisible guy and his fairy tales has no room in a logical debate. Also you guys know that rich white men throughout history edited your book of answers to fit themselves, right? Unless you have access to the Ethiopian texts or dead sea scrolls handy, your point is invalid…. didn’t think so. Carry on..

Katie caven
Katie caven
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

Yes correct and the firmament is heaven within our atmosphere according to the Bible. And if you believe Jesus is our lord than you should certainly believe it is possible the earth is flat. Everything we know to be reality has been controlled, sensored, and exposed over time by rich and power humans and the war of good and evil is as real as it gets.

Bo Bogus
Bo Bogus
Reply to  Katie caven
2 years ago

If there’s anything I’ve seen in our nature, it’s that people tend to hate doing things that gain them nothing. So answer me this — what would these people gain by claiming that the world is round? Conversely, what would they lose by claiming it to be flat?

Last edited 2 years ago by Bo Bogus
Dan
Dan
Reply to  Bo Bogus
2 years ago

Bc you can come to the conclusion of the earth being flat by reading the Bible but if all these worldly leaders get ppl to believe that the earth is a globe then it would make the Bible seem false or atleast the beginning. The leaders of this world are of this world not of our God. But I guess I’ll have to wait till I look back on my way to heaven and see if it’s a globe or flat either way doesn’t matter God is omnipotent and omniscient

Bo Bogus
Bo Bogus
Reply to  Dan
1 year ago

I too read the Bible, so perhaps I should refer you there. Revelation 7:1 says that “After these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree” (King James Version). Then, we have Isaiah 40:22, which says “It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in” (King James Version). If you take both of these verses literally, then they are entirely impossible to reconcile because a circle doesn’t have corners.

Bo Bogus
Bo Bogus
Reply to  Bo Bogus
1 year ago

It occurred to me that I should clarify my point that even if the Bible claims the Earth is flat, it can’t even tell us the shape it makes. For both shapes to be true, one or both must be metaphorical. So, couldn’t it be possible that in describing the Earth, God might have been speaking to the Hebrews using language and concepts that they would understand? Consider if I were to describe to you how a computer program works. One way would be to simply describe what the program does: given these x inputs, it basically performs y function. Now imagine I told you the same information by reciting every single line of code. You almost certainly wouldn’t understand it, and you’d forget two thirds of it by the time I got through a dozen lines. It would be pointless, as you wouldn’t learn anything from it, even though everything I would be saying is true.

In the same way, God would not have spoken using the equations and scientific principles we know today because nobody would have understood. Instead, he spoke using concepts and words the Jews understood, so that they could get the basic concept of what He was saying. That would include any reference to the shape of the earth.

Danny Stefanovski
Danny Stefanovski
Reply to  Bo Bogus
1 year ago

God Does mention it several times sitting in his thrown looking down at the circle like a compass.

A compass draws circles .
Not spinning cartoon balls .

Water needs a container .
Hence the Antarctic icewall .

Look at the United Nations logo,

Exactly the true flat earth map registered by the Americas Patent Office for over 100 years which all pilots ñavy army and all sophisticated guided missiles and radar and sonar systems rely on and ONLY WOULD WORK ON FLAT EARTH .

Penny Stanley
Penny Stanley
Reply to  Bo Bogus
1 year ago

Neither does a spinning ball!

Narelle
Narelle
Reply to  Bo Bogus
1 year ago

With respect, That’s the four cardinal points North, South, East & West. There are cardinal points on a globe. The Bible does not state whether the earth is a globe or flat. The Bible has verses in it we correctly say these sections are written figuratively. As in a 1,000 hills we know there are more than a 1,000 hills on the earth. So now it’s a SQUARE earth is it. If it has four corners it would be a square. Look at what would happen if the earth was FLAT. If you were God looking down you would see a globe as a circle. Put an orange on the lawn stand on a tall ladder take a photo it would appear as a circle. Glad you read the KJV. I think the problem is people do not always see when God uses figurative speech and literal speech. We just had a full eclipse of the Sun seen in Exmouth Western Australia just a few hours ago 20/4/23. Why here in Perth did it not go totally dark as it did there? Because of the curvature of the earth because it’s a globe and the position of the sun & moon revolving in their delegated path’s around the earth. And it’s a circular shape you see which as with the orange does not make it a flat circular object.

Jamie
Jamie
Reply to  Narelle
10 months ago

Perfect explanation.

Dustin
Dustin
Reply to  Dan
1 year ago

The Bible is also missing 15 entire books, we call those missing books the apocrypha. Now, if humans can simply remove 15 entire books from the Bible, what is stopping them from changing a few words? Listen, the Bible is worth considering. It shouldn’t be taken as hard fact. If you want hard facts, ask God for the truth and He shall reveal it to you in His time. As for flat or round earth, it doesn’t matter. Do you plan on leaving earth for any reason? Plus why would earth be the only flat planet in the universe? Also, if its flat, why does it cast a round shadow on the moon?

Danny Stefanovski
Danny Stefanovski
Reply to  Dustin
1 year ago

It doesn’t ..

It is also written in Every other çuluture in the world belief.
United Nations Logo is the true flat earth map that is registered and patented by the American góvernmént
to be true and correct for the past 100 years .which has been used to navigate the world without any correction .

Lee
Lee
Reply to  Danny Stefanovski
1 year ago

WOW! Are you wrong or just… anyway, just try flying from anywhere on the US west coast to Hawaii, for example, using that flat earth may and I absolutely guarantee you will end up stranded in the ocean. If you represent the earth on a flat map, you MUST fly a “Great Circle” route or you will likely DIE , if flying over a major body of water. Pilots have known this they started flying long distances, back in the 1920’s actually. It’s not a conspiracy, it just a fact: if you fly long distances, and you want to end up where you want to (and not die in the drink), you fly a great circle route that is generated on a flat surface to the the earth being a globe. Sorry if the facts upset you, but lives are at stake.

Durwood Whitman
Durwood Whitman
Reply to  Dan
1 year ago

Humans wrote the Bible. How do you know that they didn’t just make it up. You are putting all your faith into a single human that wrote the Bible. That human was of this earth. You choose to believe one human over millions of humans with nothing to gain. That one human that wrote the Bible had everything to gain.

Nicholas Collins
Nicholas Collins
Reply to  Durwood Whitman
1 year ago

You can clearly see the writing styles are different, so no, it was not one human that wrote God’s word.. it was many.. and yes, the bible has been proven true with it’s accounts of history..

Last edited 1 year ago by Nicholas Collins
Rick
Rick
Reply to  Dan
1 year ago

Isa 40:22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,and it’s people are like grasshoppers.

Erica
Erica
Reply to  Rick
1 year ago

I’m a bit late to the conversation but here is my input! If you consider the 2 verses enthroned above the circle of the earth could still mean the earth is flat. If they are looking down from above its very likely the shape of the earth is a circle which would not mean it’s a sphere necessarily. And the other verse about the angles standing on the four corners. Then angles would be physically on the earth the 4 corners being north, south, east, and west. I’m still unsure on my stand point. But I sure as hell don’t trust the government.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Rick
1 year ago

Get on a plane, when you get to cruising altitude, look out and around the airplane… the Earth looks like a circle, but the ground resembles nothing like the whole Earth!.. Globe or flat, true, but the view is according to what we should see on the globe Earth and not the flat earth, for there are no recogizable flat earth map features, no ice wall, no complete continents or seas even if you do see the apparent end/edge… but what you really see is the horizon which is only 224 miles away from 33-35 thousand feet up… look out the opposite side of the plane window, another 224 miles to the horizon, make it a 448 mile in diameter, NOT a 24906 mile diameter circle.

Next, look at the blue sky… the blue color of the sky is due to Rayleigh scattering and only happens in the presence of atmospheric gases… Next look up at the darkened sky, that indicates the lowered atmospheric density, at that altitude you are over most of the atmosphere…. Next look up at the darkened sky, that indicates the end of atmospheric gases which mostly (99.9%) end at 50 miles, but?… doesn’t the flat earth atmosphere go up to the dome?… There’s no such thing as a flat earth, nothing in Nature is disk shaped, nothing is naturally encased in a glass dome… only the mentally blind see what’s not there, without evidence, without reasoning, without a care for the globe Earth facts that are right in front of our eyes.  

God is much Greater than flat earthers make Him out to be… and with His Greatness, why would He Create a tiny, disfunctional, deadly, piece of flat plane, without a Star (Sun), and without the unmeasurable lights in the night Sky that clearly show us the Greatnes of His Creation.

Go out to a desert on a clear night, where no light pollution obstructs the view, and see the amount of stars that look like dust clouds due to the distance and abundance that would not be able to hide in the daytime. That is His Real Creation, and not the puny thing you call home plane-et Earth, where asteroids wouldn’t have ever been possible, and yet we film them, hear them, see them and even suffer their caused damage. Quite a difference that only the blind will not see.  
youtube.com/watch?v=O2WDdTc3kfE

Brian Village
Brian Village
Reply to  Dan
1 year ago

Yeah nobody’s ever once come forth out of all the worlds scientists and all the worlds leaders mmmkay. Keep following your cult.

Preston
Reply to  Dan
10 months ago

The word you so cherish, was also altered by above said men?

JoeBlack
Reply to  Katie caven
1 year ago

The Bible doesn’t say the Earth is one shape or the other… the firmament doesn’t imply it either… that conclusion is not based on religion nor science but flat earth pseudo-science which is based on 100% lies, because everything about the flat earth can be proven wrong, and the top flat-eathers know it, and when some aspect of it debunked, they simply replace it with another lie. I call those changes lies, because they know they are fooling people, and making money from the followers. And you should know that flat-earth is not a Religion and if they made it one, it would be a sacrilegious religion, being based on lies. You may believe in flat-earth, but I don’t believe, I know the Earth is spherical.

To me, what the Bible means with waters above from waters below and firmament in between, because the atmosphere contains huge amounts of dispersed water, in the air as humidity, moisture and clouds.

At any moment, the atmosphere contains an astounding 37.5 million billion gallons of water, in the invisible vapor phase. This is enough water to cover the entire surface of the Earth (land and ocean) with one inch of rain.”

eric mayes
eric mayes
Reply to  JoeBlack
1 year ago

how do you know the earth is a sphere?

Justin Harvey
Justin Harvey
Reply to  eric mayes
1 year ago

How do you know it is Flat.
How is the sun sphere?
Or the moon?

JoeBlack
Reply to  eric mayes
1 year ago

eric mayes said: “how do you know the earth is a sphere?” 

Your eyes see it, your mind understands it… I’ve known since before I ever got in elementary school… watching the horizon from the beach, I never though of it as flat… don’t recall how I got that impression but what I do recall it that following the horizon line from 90º left to 90º to the right, I did see a curve… Same curve you see when you turn around 360º on a boat, away from shore… You see a horizon 360º around you and realizing you’re only seeing a limited distance of a few miles, and that you’re standing at the center of a 2.8 mile radius circle, that wouldn’t be possible in a flat earth where all you would be able to see was a view around you, as far as the eye could see, a much greater distance than 2.8 miles… but, not the case in reality.  

Another observation: The horizon may look flat directly ahead, but observing the blue or cloudy sky touching the horizon line 2.8 miles ahead… that, says it can only be a spherical Earth, and show such view. 

Same if you’re on a airliner: 35000 feet altitude, if you look out the window, the horizon is 224 miles away, look out the opposite side window, same distance, you see around 360º, it’s a 448 mile across circle, too puny to be the flat earth’s edge… you don’t see an Ice Wall, you don’t see the geographical features you see in a world map, round or flat, and if you’re more than 224 miles from a coast, you can only see land… The obious and logical conclusion is that wee are not on a flat earth…. It’s that simple.  

TGovender
TGovender
Reply to  JoeBlack
9 months ago

What do such people gain from saying the earth is flat compared to what do people gain from saying the earth is a globe? Prove the horizon and zooming lens wrong if you can so easily say everything can be proven wrong

D zim
D zim
Reply to  Katie caven
1 year ago

Amen to that, sister.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Katie caven
1 year ago

If God never said the Earth is Flat, why should I believe that lie?… You can prove this yourself, go search online for a Bible website they usually include all editions of the Bible, so you can search for the Book, Chapter, versicle for the passage where God said the exact shape (not wheat you want to understand), and you will not find any versicle that says flat it may say plane, but that word also applies in this spherical world, and will not say “flat”.

Saying that the Earth is flat, ant that there is no Universe, without any evidence, is not only wrong but offensive to God because with his great unlimited power he wouldn’t settle for a puny dysfunctional, cold, deadly place not only for humanity but for all life that’s incapable of supporting at least 100 times the measurable 14.7 psi of atmospheric pressure. This is just a small sample of all the arguments that make flat earthers very wrong.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Katie caven
1 year ago

Meant to type plain, which applies to a Quote: flat expanse of land that generally does not change much in elevation, and is primarily treeless”. Imagine the flat earth without many trees or forests, jungles, etc.

There’s a very extensive description of the correct meaning of the Word here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain

Preston
Reply to  Katie caven
10 months ago

This includes all the texts you use to prove your Christian theology? So what does that say to rational people? You are a walking contradiction ?

Old Skool
Old Skool
Reply to  Joe Black
2 years ago

If you go by the online dictionary, you will get a boatload of misinformation and inaccuracies, especially when pertaining to the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible does it mention a universe. It does mention multiple levels of the Firmament/Heavens. To be fair, there are a lot of new age “Bibles” that have come about, claiming that they represent an interpretation of the King James Bible only to touch way off base.

Jerre78
Jerre78
Reply to  Old Skool
1 year ago

Furthermore the bible is still written by man and as such subject to interpretation. It probably changed a minuscule bit with every translation. Although god is omnipotent, man is not.
Unlike laws of physics which have been proven and are not open for interpretation.

Christopher Tilton
Christopher Tilton
Reply to  Old Skool
11 months ago

God took Job on a tour of the Universe to show him what He created…

Jon
Jon
Reply to  Joe Black
2 years ago

If taken from a hebrew word (which I wish I understood better) I believe firmament is something like raqiya and literally means the hammering out of gold or some sort of metal like hammered out sheets. Truthfully that is a MUCH closer meaning of the word firmament and GOD says it (the firmament) divides us and the Heavens. There is also 3 Heavens in the Bible if you research. I believe one is above us where the birds fly and the second is where the stars (possibly angels) are and third is the throne room of GOD sitting on top of us all.

Bart Florczyk
Bart Florczyk
Reply to  Joe Black
2 years ago

Thank you. Someone with common sense.

serdlc64
serdlc64
Reply to  Joe Black
2 years ago

Look everything up in Hebrew then you’ll see.

D zim
D zim
Reply to  Joe Black
1 year ago

Upon looking up the word “firmament,” Google/Safari gives a simple definition — as per Wikipedia, so do take lightly — of a structure built above earth’s atmosphere as a solid dome. Perhaps once upon a time this & your definition meant the same thing. Who knows, except God? I guess…

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Rey l castillo
Rey l castillo
Reply to  Joe Black
1 year ago

How can a firmament exist in an infinite space?
In biblical cosmology, the firmament is the vast solid dome created by God during his creation of the world to divide the primal sea into upper and lower portions so that the dry land could appear.

Christian Sister
Christian Sister
Reply to  Joe Black
1 year ago

Seriously! You send us to a man’s definition of a Godly word? The Bible was written so that man can understand it if he chooses to “rightly divide” the word.

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Kyle
Kyle
Reply to  Joe Black
1 year ago

In Hebrew ‘ raqia firmament’ means arch of the sky , expanse

Wayne
Wayne
Reply to  Kyle
10 months ago

The original Hebrew text says in Gen. 1:7, in part, “Vayya’as Elohim et-haraqiya…” Raqiya means expanse. So, translated is, “And God made the expanse…”
Gen. 1:8 says, “Vayyikra Elohim laraqiya shamayim…” Shamayin means Heaven, or sky. Translated is “And God called the expanse Heaven, or the sky…”
Though your definition is correct, there’s nothing about firmament in the text.
That word was used in the KJV translation and is look at as a solid structure so people run with it… even though the original texts say nothing of a solid structure.

Deshawn
Deshawn
Reply to  Jay Dog
3 years ago

I could physically feel my brain cells committing suicide while reading this

Matt Hollars
Matt Hollars
Reply to  Deshawn
2 years ago

You have explained my exactly thought about ignorance in these subject matters. Thank you and no ignorance is NOT a bliss.

Bart Florczyk
Bart Florczyk
Reply to  Deshawn
2 years ago

I’m with you, I honestly can’t believe some people still think this way. And I believe in the Christian God myself and these people are an insult to God

Danny Stefanovski
Danny Stefanovski
Reply to  Bart Florczyk
1 year ago

Amen.

Im with you like God will always be with us.

They àll believe in cartoon ball earth that was disproven to it moving

But fixed and stationary like it says iñ the Bible .

1800 Michaelson ànd Morley experiment .

1962 operation fishbowl
Operation Dominic

Lorice Walker
Lorice Walker
Reply to  Deshawn
2 years ago

I absolutely agree with you… Whatever happened to discernment..

Bluecat4usa
Bluecat4usa
Reply to  Deshawn
1 year ago

Absolutely. How do these flat earthers ever pass high school?

Tom
Tom
Reply to  Jay Dog
3 years ago

Isaiah 40:22 states the God sits enthroned on the circle of the Earth (Hebrew word there means sphere. Also used in Isaiah 22:18 interpreted as “ball”) God’s Word clearly states the Earth is round. Don’t misrepresent the Word of God

Tracy
Tracy
Reply to  Tom
3 years ago

How about you do some research you before you open your mouth? There are separate words for sphere and circle in Hebrew. Stop misrepresenting the Word of God..look it up, it’s called ‘Goo-gle’…sheesh

Katie Caven
Katie Caven
Reply to  Tracy
3 years ago

Yes and in Addition to opening ones moth we should also open our eyes and stop letting “ Goog elsh” information tell us what is factual when it’s all sensored and filtered to support a narrative that is just as crazy as the flat earth theory. I wish people would understand by connecting with god and nature rather than believing everything they see and read as truth.

fire_lord_hollander_13
fire_lord_hollander_13
Reply to  Tracy
2 years ago

i’d like to thank you, because this is the funniest thing i’ve seen all day.

Bob
Bob
Reply to  Tracy
1 year ago

This comment section:

0 : mouths open.
2 : sides of opinion clashing
X : Priceless ammount of clownfoolery.

Katie Caven
Katie Caven
Reply to  Tom
3 years ago

The Bible is also full of metaphors. I look forward to your verses that support the earth being flat. They are in there –

vinton zwahlen
vinton zwahlen
Reply to  Katie Caven
2 years ago

revelations 20:7-9 research the word BREADTH look into the concordian and greek and hebrew language interpretations !

aoekin
aoekin
Reply to  Katie Caven
2 years ago

talks more in regards to globe/ circuit in root of hebrew words explaining the earth is only thing that someone could use, but most will take out of context Enoch.

gift
Reply to  Katie Caven
1 year ago

do you also believe its flat

Fox Schaffer
Fox Schaffer
Reply to  Tom
2 years ago

Don’t forget, God sits ANYWHERE on a Globe, and the NUMBER of actual circles He’s sitting upon is INFINTE!!! Also, dinosaurs and LARGE fossilized insects REQUIRED an ice (water above the firmament) with equal and opposite magnetic PUSH to resist 1G of Gravitational PULL, creating a hyperbaric paradise, but 2G atmosphere, and explains 50% increased oxygen found in Fossilized amber that scientists are baffled by. The thing that boggles my brain, did THEIR (flat/disc earthers) think that God half-assed it to take a day off??? I mean THEIR world is a facade designed to deceive us??? That doesn’t sound like MY God, the God of the Bible. Lastly, go look at Quantum Physics, Inner Space, they notice, looks VERY much like our own Universe! So me, I want to serve a HUGE and very COMPLETE God, if they wanna put “Half-assed god in a box” and think He’s the same, that’s on them! But I asked my friend, WHAT EVIDENCE WOULD YOU ACCEPT TO CHANGE YOUR CORE BELIEF IN A FLAT EARTH??? He couldn’t answer me, so that tells me he doesn’t want to change what he believes?! But hey, God gave him that free will to do exactly that!

Mark
Mark
Reply to  Fox Schaffer
2 years ago

Explain to me then how the Mississippi River flows. When according to the (so called) curvature of the earth it would have to flow uphill 11 miles? Not for 11 miles but 11 miles in height!

ConfusedButAmused
ConfusedButAmused
Reply to  Mark
2 years ago

It doesn’t, you are misunderstanding how directions work.

J. W.
J. W.
Reply to  Mark
2 years ago

Kindly written, the images of spherical bodies in space are so available and universal that to write and speak otherwise is clearly a willful mental departure from reality. Willful. We know what’s going on in your minds. The only question is how to help you or ignore you best. Go to your club meetings and commission a flight to edge of Antarctica. Quite affordable for your collective group. Bring back some photos of where the flat planet ends. Otherwise talk harmlessly amongst yourselves.

Eric Hickman
Eric Hickman
Reply to  J. W.
2 years ago

To you sir I say educational practices might very well be a fruitful endeavor. You do sound as if you can grasp a concept quite well. I can assure you within this regard, an in depth study of what has came to be a very large group of extraordinary intelligent people scholars and misfit alike, a earth of a shape other than spherical is most certainly the case at hand.

John Doran
John Doran
Reply to  Eric Hickman
1 year ago

You say a VERY LARGE group, at it’s last FE convention it attracted 900 people? More people have actually proven the globe theory than you have members, so think again. And a misconception that Antarctica is prohibited and guarded by military personnel only, well one of the laws of the treaty is no military personnel or practice may be carried out here, many people work here, and many people visit, but still to see a 24,000mile 150ft ice wall…It is the only continent that belongs to noone, so you don’t even need a visa to visit, if your country is part of the 1959 Antarctic treaty.so it’s perfectly feasible to visit here like thousands have.

Danny Stefanovski
Danny Stefanovski
Reply to  John Doran
1 year ago

Yes it is monitored ànd guarded airspace as well as sea by us navy.

You cannot go there on your own unless your on tour guide .

There are photos of the icewall and if you do your research you will discover why.

Yet gravity and spinning globe theory were proven that they were made up in the 1800s

Eth Ki
Eth Ki
Reply to  Danny Stefanovski
1 year ago

One word. Gravity

Narelle
Narelle
Reply to  Danny Stefanovski
1 year ago

Dear Danny, trust you are well. Do you know expeditions have successfully crossed Antartica. If it were a wall surrounding a flat circular earth with the Artic in the centre how is that possible it would have taken an eternity. Please check these facts. Expeditions have crossed Antartica.

Wayne
Wayne
Reply to  Danny Stefanovski
10 months ago

You are mistaken.

  1. The airpace isn’t guarded. There are just regulations and some restrictions in place to ensure the safety of aviation activities and to protect the environment. The International Civil Aviation Org. establishes the guidelines and regulations.
  2. The sea isn’t guarded…From the IAATO .org website: Each year, hundreds of visitors go to Antarctica onboard sailing or motor yachts to experience this unique ecosystem. With this rewarding adventure comes a responsibility: careful planning and preparation are needed to legally travel to and stay safe in Antarctica.
  3. You can indeed go there on your own. Though doing so requires jumping through many hoops as you need a really good reason for doing so, Check out https://www.antarcticicepilot.com/destination-antarctica
  4. The photos we see of this so-called ice wall are actually of an iceberg that is several hundred miles long. As long as the earth has been around, not a single person has flown or sailed any significant distance along this ice wall to show that it exists. and this whole, “because it’s all guarded” excuse is just silly..
Danny Stefanovski
Danny Stefanovski
Reply to  J. W.
1 year ago

In a vacume of space you need a çontainer to keep all the gas in which is impossible ..

They are not planets but wondering luminary stars and the moon is a translucent plasma

They are not solid objects .

Bart Florczyk
Bart Florczyk
Reply to  Mark
2 years ago

It’s called pressure from the rest of the current upstream and the 11 miles in height is spread out over such great distances that water pressure moving in 1 direction could easily do that

Wayne
Wayne
Reply to  Mark
10 months ago

If the earth is flat, why does it or any other river, flow at all… and in the same direction?

LC Haro
LC Haro
Reply to  Fox Schaffer
2 years ago

your conjecture about dinosaurs/fossilized insects/firmament is just that. We don’t know what the earth was like when those things happened. We were not there.

One of the most important things about the flat earth movement is that it truly challenges our assumptions. We have so many more assumptions than we realize. When I first challenged by this idea, we tend to go back to those things and argue with them. Little by little, if we are honest with ourselves, it all begins to unravel. some rely on what they were taught in school growing up. Some have become physicists and can fill huge black boards with mathematical equations. (Look how well mathematical projections served us in the plandemic, and you will see how useless they are in the real world, when there are variables not accounted for.) assumptions based on assumptions are made before we did the math on how big and how large things are “out in space.“

Instead of arguing, it would be nice to get down to brass tacks of what we do know for sure, Versus what we speculate to be true.

Kyle
Kyle
Reply to  LC Haro
2 years ago

About a year before I really woke up I had an epiphany and came to the realization that everyone should know I realized the only thing we can be sure of is the fact that we can’t truly be sure of anything at all not 100% history is written by the victors how do we know the good guys won, bad guys definitely won’t tell us the truth and will make themselves look like the good guys that frame of mind is really essential when you start examining the world and trying to figure out what exactly is going on, only then you realize almost everything we’ve ever been taught is a lie, government doesn’t want an intelligent population that can tell that the government is screwing them over and only want you smart enough to push a button when you’re supposed to and to be good little obedient workers that don’t question anything K through 12 schooling system was put together a hundred years ago to educate a population of factory workers that only needed to know when to push a button

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Jon
Jon
Reply to  Kyle
2 years ago

Good points. I think I can come to the same conclusions a while back also. I also believe the Bible is the actual only 100 percent factual truth of any kind of history on Earth and has never been proven inaccurate. I also believe there is only 1 “good guy” and 1 “bad guy” out here and that is GOD and Satan! If you ask me the meaning of our life here, it becomes VERY simple by definition and also very easy or very difficult depending on how you choose to look at it and that is the meaning of life is to LOVE GOD! Learn to love GOD and live by example of Jesus in spite of Satan and this world which he rules. We truly are spiritual + physical beings together and life truly is a giant battle of good and evil. The real fight isn’t with other humans, governments, organizations etc.. but the fight is with Satan the prince of this world and you must pray to GOD and trust GOD to do the fighting for us!

eric mayes
eric mayes
Reply to  Jon
1 year ago

the only way you could say the bible was the only true book is if you have the first book. there have been many translations of the bible. which one is the real truth and what changes were made to help the powers of the time to put their version of the truth.

John Doran
John Doran
Reply to  LC Haro
1 year ago

True in so many ways, although I don’t think mathematics is a problem solver with a viral pandemic unless it’s for statistical analysis, projected outcomes, or data correlation. But you have several valid points, but for anyone to deny dinosaurs existence is either ignorant or uneducated, not saying you are either mate, but with so many relics and fossils to full skeletal systems have been uncovered and reconstructed and many adorn museums, I know some are castings of originals to recreate but these originals must surely not just be dismissed as another cover up or there is serious proof of mistrust in all fields and to smear honest people that spend years in archeological digs, scientific research that’s required years of studys a little unfair because of a conspirital mind. I myself hold doubts in certain areas but hold belief in the hard work and effort put in by hard working,honest people as truth. It’s higher up the ladder I hold contempt.

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  LC Haro
1 year ago

Well I was in college biochemistry during the pandemic and we studied several equations that deal on how strongly and how often a drug or antibody binds to the coronavirus spike-proteins hindering the virus ability to infect human cells similar to what medical researchers were doing to come up with treatments for the illness. Furthermore, to build radiology equipment used in hospitals typically requires much physics training as the equations are useful in studying how light interacts with matter like in human tissues and dyes injected in the humans. If physics and quantum mechanics did not work none of the common technologies used these days would work. For the record the physics that goes into our technologies supports a spherical shaped planet in which a flat earth would collapse in on itself. Even other objects we have observed in the solar system that are too small in mass to collapse in on itself into a spherical shape are anything but flat such as comet churyumov-gerasimenko.

Narelle
Narelle
Reply to  LC Haro
1 year ago

LC Haro please think about this. Buzz Aldrin himself stated they did not go to the moon. No one can travel past the Van Allen Belt. So they fib. However you cannot Patent anything that occurs naturally or if it a part of nature or anything that is known facts like maths for example. To patent the flat earth means THEY MADE IT UP. Check with a Patent Attorney ask them they will tell you that is true.

MIke Shellenberger Jr
MIke Shellenberger Jr
Reply to  Fox Schaffer
2 years ago

Earth Is round and spinning all proven facts. Antarctica is 5.84 million sq miles 5th largest continent on NO IMAGINARY ICE WALL EXISTS. Bible proves earth is round and space is real and endless universe. Hurricanes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, Jetstream, earth quakes can’t happen on a flat earth . Stop believing in debunked conspiracy theories with zero evidence to evidence to back up your claims you delusional flerfers.

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Eric Hickman
Eric Hickman
Reply to  Fox Schaffer
2 years ago

You are allowed to hold your beliefs. Though when your belief is the right to degrade by verbal insults, then your belief is wrong. We flat earthers have done our homework in both fields and made our choice. I know with all conclusion that you have not. Please keep the insults and if you choose to debate a flat earther then furst understand the argument. Understanding the arguement must be done by educational practices not verbal insultive remarks.

Narelle
Narelle
Reply to  Eric Hickman
1 year ago

Bless your heart flat earther. You are right insults show immaturity. However the UN patented the flat circular earth. You cannot be given a Patent for any natural thing or known!!!! Anything be it plant, animal, the earth, maths, as it’s known. So they made it up. Ring a Patent Attorney and he will concur that is a fact. You have to invent a thing. You Patent it to lawfully protect your invention or idea. I own Four Intellectual property patents. I achieved them without a patent Attorney. I had to study for months but I did it.

John Doran
John Doran
Reply to  Fox Schaffer
1 year ago

Man, the most lucid answer I’ve read, there is no changing the mind of the indoctrinated by belief, and that’s all it is, a belief system, no fact. No years of philosophy or science and mathematics to back it up, just some flat earth priests, filling the empty or succeptible minds of people. There’s no reasoning with them I’ve encountered…to phrase god is a last grasp at straws. Everything and everyone in the last 2000 years to prove astrophysics, the government, media, are all lying on this massive agenda. For what purpose? Madness

Joe
Joe
Reply to  Tom
2 years ago

First off remember that the Bible is written by man. Man has the ability to change it in any form or way he sees fit to do so. As far as god and thrones and such in the Bible speak of yawway that was the name of the Annunaki king that came here to rule it says we was made in his image the image of man the image of Annunaki. God created your spirit not your body that’s the image of my god not a human form but a spiritual one. Most of the Bible has been changed or major parts left out to fit the narrative of those controlling things. Using the Bible as a reference to prove flat earth is not a good reference IMO because you are once again going on what controllers have placed in it. It’s not the actual voice of God. You can’t even say it was overseen by God because then that takes away our source of choice. Most people are seeing by now that the top level of the religions around the planet are curropt and have been hand picked for a reason. The pope being the worst and committed horrible crimes but if you don’t believe in cloning I guess you would have a hard time understanding this. There are so many things we yet don’t understand for all we know the earth could be flat and a sphere at the same time. Lunar rocks cause weird things to happen when crushed to powered and applied like corn from seed to maturity in a week. I assume that’s why any lunar asteroid that falls on USA soil belongs to the government they don’t want you learning the properties of physics from other planets or other planets moons because our moon didn’t come from here or the proposed crash theory. So with so many lies can anyone really believe anything about what we know or have been taught.

Jeff black
Jeff black
Reply to  Tom
2 years ago

It could also mean that it’s only half a ball with the bottom part being flat and the top being rounded. Imjustsaying

John
John
Reply to  Jeff black
2 years ago

No. It couldn’t. At all. Ever. Under any circumstance. The earth is, and always has been a spherical object. Anyone who thinks different should be properly educated using reality. Imjustsayin

Sketch P.
Sketch P.
Reply to  John
1 year ago

This is what the ancient Hebrews understood.
It’s in ‘The Book of Enoch’ as well.

Charles Tulloch
Charles Tulloch
Reply to  Sketch P.
1 year ago

To think that the world is flat is rediculous.then to back it up with a story book proves that point.religion is made up to give people answers to questions they couldn’t answer have answers to those questions through scientific discovery.how does someone take a boat around a flat earth?why do planes navigate with the curve of the earth to make trips shorter if we live on what your saying is a piece of plywood.with some mystical angels holding the oceans in place.cmon are you guys serious with this?people have been here a long time and no one has ever found the edge yet.hhhmmm

Peter
Peter
Reply to  Tom
2 years ago

You don’t need Hebrew to explain anything, use the KJV Bible and the Bible only to explain itself. In Is 22 18 says ball and 40 says circle. In English and that’s all I know as a language. Circle is not a sphere, so therefore we can not ASSUME that it is a sphere, the only reason you would think so is you are trying to fit the model, that you know into what the Bible says, instead of letting the Bible speak for itself. God sit’s upon the circle of the earth which just by the meaning of the word means it is a plane. The only other verse that I know people use is in Job where it says he hangs the world on nothing. When you build a house you hang your house on nothing meaning it is supported from a foundation below. In fact if you really study scripture you will see that the Heliocentric model breaks ALL NATURAL LAW. Why would God create the law of centrifugal force only to counteract his own law with the law of gravity. Stars are NOT 3D there is no depth to stars that is why you can navigate by them. The Bible says firmament (meaning firm structure) that is considered a heaven. Bible says, Sun, Moon, and Stars are INSIDE the firmament. “Science” says, they are well outside our firmament. I could go on and on, but you have to make that choice yourself. Read Job 38 God DEMANDS an answer to this question. He is not only demanding it of Job but all of us.

Henry
Henry
Reply to  Peter
2 years ago

So, explain water drains on each side of the equator. We’ll wait.

eric mayes
eric mayes
Reply to  Henry
1 year ago

that is a myth. I have lived on both north and southern hemispheres and the water does not drain any differently. but hay they were my own experiments. you draw your own conclusions

Elen
Elen
Reply to  Peter
2 years ago

Have you considered gods throne sitting upon the circle of the earth could very well have been misinterpreted by the human that wrote it down when he was told about god(the annunaki) throne ( his spaceship) sitting upon the circle of the earth ( locked in orbit so sitting on and going round in a circle = orbiting possibly to someone with no words or vision of a technology far beyond our own at that time ….think about how you might explain so.ething comicated to a cbild using words that the child can understand so as toexplain the idea….this is what makes the most sense really

Bill Vecchione
Bill Vecchione
Reply to  Peter
1 year ago

Your the man.. backing u up 1 billion percent God created the earth first then placed light on it and then sun moon and stars then man

Toya Brown
Toya Brown
Reply to  Tom
2 years ago

The Bible does state that the earth is a circle. So is a pancake and a pizza. Both flat and round.

And why does is the UN logo a flat earth? Just wondering….

Sketch P.
Sketch P.
Reply to  Toya Brown
1 year ago

I agree…people most often think of a circle like to a baskeball

Prime Lemur
Prime Lemur
Reply to  Toya Brown
1 year ago

UN flag? Because its a handy way to show all the nations of the Earth in one image. No more, no less. Like all maps, its a projection. All projections (ie flat maps of the Earth) sacrifice one kind of accuracy to retain another. The UN flag, an azimuthal equidistant projection, displays all landmasses at accurate relative distances from the north pole. Its just as easy to project from the south pole. Its just one of many projections, each of which sacrifices one kind of accuracy for another.

Bart Florczyk
Bart Florczyk
Reply to  Tom
2 years ago

It’s funny when u present facts no one from the other side responds.

Alejandra Pena
Alejandra Pena
Reply to  Tom
2 years ago

Circle doesn’t mean sphere and that’s just common sense.

Vernon Ray Sandusky
Vernon Ray Sandusky
Reply to  Tom
2 years ago

Absolutely, and the more I study God’s Word the more I realize how the Bible upholds Science.

Sketch P.
Sketch P.
Reply to  Tom
1 year ago

This is what the ancient Hebrews understood.
It’s in ‘The Book of Enoch’ as well.

Sketch P.
Sketch P.
Reply to  Tom
1 year ago

Read the book of Enoch, its in there.

KDogMac
KDogMac
Reply to  Tom
1 year ago

Can it not be round but not a sphere ..? I mean a circular saw blade is flat and round
and it might be both sides are wrongg and right…could be a compromise of both…when above looking down it would be round and flat across horizontalland
beside that why can’t a spherical globe have a firmament …evidently there aren’t any rules to thinking what the shape is but DAMN… It’ll drive us all nuts though… yes

Dan Miller
Dan Miller
Reply to  Jay Dog
2 years ago

Nice try that’s actually the sun’s Rays shining through our atmosphere which is made up of several layers depending on the temperature

Mark
Mark
Reply to  Dan Miller
2 years ago

And which layer is the one solid enough to hold pressure? We do have atmospheric pressure don’t we?

Fragile Rock
Fragile Rock
Reply to  Jay Dog
2 years ago

You still believe in mythology? Oh boy… no wonder you don’t understand science.

Henry
Henry
Reply to  Jay Dog
2 years ago

Yes, the “firmament” just simply translates from Greek/Latin/Hebrew/Aramaic-
Atmosphere. God isn’t as simple and small as flat earthers make Him. He made the Universe the way it is because it’s MASSIVE, and beyond human understanding. Not a paper plate with a tupperware lid. We are NOT God’s pets.

Justin Harvey
Justin Harvey
Reply to  Jay Dog
1 year ago

Taking the Bible out of context is not the way to go. The Bible was written for the people of the time and a certain audience. It was written, not as a science book.

Extraordinarily Stellar
Extraordinarily Stellar
Reply to  Jay Dog
1 year ago

Where in the bible does it talk about any thing in our solar system other than the Earth Moon and Sun…it talks how he made earth in 6 days..nothing about other planets..also I have an open mind why did your God not talk about the vast Universe I have read the Bible countless times there is talk of stars..no universe

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Michael J carloni
Michael J carloni
Reply to  Jay Dog
1 year ago

If the sun was that close to the earth we would not be here because it would be has hot as Mercury and Venus

Thomas Carey
Thomas Carey
Reply to  Jay Dog
1 year ago

People misunderstand what the Bible means about the firmament etc the Bible says nothing about a flat Earth. Firmament means sky or heavens. In fact the firmament has seven planets in it meaning Saturn Jupiter Mars etc showing that it means heavens. If you just do a quick Google search and ask Google if the Bible says that the Earth is flat you will find out that’s not what they mean at all

wayne myhre
wayne myhre
Reply to  Jay Dog
11 months ago

firmament is an old word which has changed in meaning. the word behind it (Hebrew) is raquia, and means “expanse”

John
John
Reply to  Jay Dog
11 months ago

Where do meteorites come from?

bob
bob
Reply to  Mel
4 years ago

Uhhh….2 words: FIRMAMENT DOME. Enough already. *SIGH*

Mark
Mark
Reply to  bob
2 years ago

The firmament would be the solid entity to allow us to have atmospheric pressure!

frank
frank
Reply to  Mel
2 years ago

show me a picture of all the Space Junk. Not a artist picture or computer artist. a simple picture of space junk. surely Elon and Virgin guy have a snap shot of the space junk.

FED
FED
Reply to  bogart
4 years ago

We live on a spining ball flying around space at 5000 miles an hour yet I can’t feel anything. Not to mention flying around the sun at 6000 miles an hour. Man that could rip you arm off if you stick it out the window at 6000 miles an hour. Yet no one can feel it. Heven is above the dome.

John Michael
John Michael
Reply to  FED
4 years ago

Sounds scary doesn’t it the earth spinning at 1000 mph at the equator – remember this is linear speed but we are rotating and the earth is huge and turns in its axis once every 24 hours. Sit on a fairground roundabout and get it to turn a full circle once in 24 hours – not so scary now and you won’t fly off. The centrifugal force exhibited at the equator is massively less than the force of gravity hence you don’t fly off into outer space and neither do the oceans.

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  John Michael
3 years ago

Good points, same I use every time I can. The minimum speed to fly off into space is the same lowest orbit achieving speed or basic escape speed which was 17,500 miles per hour first achieved by the mission that put John Glen in low orbit. Gagarin’s mission had achieved 17,029 mph.

After all these years and so much information given, flatearthers have managed to miss everything… seems they prefer to let the mind lose and imagine it all in their own way… they must think; Why waste time learning at school when you can “open the mind” and imagine an alterante “reality”… and maybe get a little boost from a friendly substance.

Mark
Mark
Reply to  John Michael
2 years ago

If it is spinning at 1000mph, you would be able to fly from NY to LA, but not back! Rotation is from west to east @ 1000mph, leave NY to LA, plane =600mph+1000mph rotation= 1600mph, 2 hrs to LA. Return trip impossible, plane=600mph-rotation@1000mph= -400mph= backing out over the pacific!

Rick
Rick
Reply to  Mark
1 year ago

So if you are traveling in a car at 70 mph and drop an apple on the floor,what happens?

Eric Hickman
Eric Hickman
Reply to  John Michael
2 years ago

The roundabout is not going fast. 1000mph is very fast, maybe you are thinking of the closer to center, thats where the one rotation would not be felt so much. And regarding gravity keeping us from flying off, which suggests that as I travel north from the equator I should gain massive weight, correct?

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  Eric Hickman
1 year ago

One study was done on the flattest known part of the world on the north american plains, where researchers placed levels across the plain as far as one could see and all the levels gave a level reading. Later, the researchers went into a hot air balloon high above the same plane and observed the curvature of this alleged flat surface. This is indicative that gravity pulls objects of mass towards the epicenter of large bodies of mass. To change your weight, you have to get to a higher or lower elevation, which would make you lighter or heavier respectively under the law of gravitation and can be confirmed experimentally as well. Now calculus is the mathematical study of rates and some ancient greek philosophers contributed to the understanding of calculus by understanding that anytime you zoom in on a curve, the curve will appear to be flat, like a tiny insect experiencing a flat environment while crawling around ones curved arm.

David Gregory
David Gregory
Reply to  FED
4 years ago

The air is pulled as fast as you take a plane flight and toss a ball in the air inside the plane the ball moves as if you are not moving the air in the plane moves with you

Aidan
Aidan
Reply to  FED
4 years ago

You cant ‘feel’ speed. You can only ‘feel’ acceleration.
When travelling down the road at 40mph you dont feel anything but if you leave your driveway and ACCELERATE to 40mph you can feel that.

Mick
Mick
Reply to  Aidan
3 years ago

Stick your head out the window of your car at 40 mph and tell me you can’t feel it

Ethan
Ethan
Reply to  Mick
3 years ago

It’s because of air resistance. The air molecules are moved out of the way by your body, and that pushes back against you. Either way, the Earth’s atmosphere rotates with it, so you don’t get that air resistance.

Roger D Deese
Roger D Deese
Reply to  Ethan
3 years ago

Why can’t a helicopter lift up and wait for the spin of the earth to bring destination to it? Why is water always level. No curve. When building train tracks there is no formula for curved surface. The air force even admitted flat surface when working on formulas. Check their documents. We have been lied to for a very long time. We have achieved zero energy. They won’t use it because it would be free and would all but end the oil industry. And nuclear power. Kill our economy for years to come. Lied to,manipulated. They want us to believe there is no God. We are easier to control that way! God Bless. Forget everything you think you know and do your own research.

Seth
Seth
Reply to  Roger D Deese
3 years ago

Our atmosphere moves with the earth. So whether your helicopter is in the air or sitting on the earth, it continues to move with the earth. Have you ever measured the surface of water? If you ever do, let us know. No document admits a flat surface or a flat earth. The documenmts you’re referring to ASSUME a flat earth or surface for the sake of simplifying calculations. Many flat earthers make the same claim you do, yet not one of them have ever produced a document stating the earth is flat. Flat earthers’ favorite mottos is “Do your own research.” The level of hypocrisy is staggering!!

Tray
Tray
Reply to  Seth
3 years ago

The air does not move with the Earth, I don’t care wtf Einstein says. If the atmosphere moved with the earth then how do we feel wind? This is the dumbest argument ever. Also, if the atmosphere moved with the earth then everything in it would also move with it, which in turn would make flying against the rotation of the earth a more difficult task as your fighting the resistance of the atmosphere vs the other way with the ‘wind at your back so to speak, thus using much more fuel and a little time even. None of which happens…all.yall do is spout so called arguments none of you ha e tested or even visually verified..thoopid theep..

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  Tray
3 years ago

Did you even go to school? The wind is caused by warm air currents rising over cool air currents. As the warm air rises, the cool air flows into the space that the warm air moved out of, thus creating wind. And as for how we can get to where we are going if the earth is rotating faster than us? Just like a train can be going faster than a person, but someone running on top of the train can still get from one end to the other. That’s what it means when someone says motion is relative The person is moving at its normal speed relative to the train, but it’s also going faster than its normal speed relative to the ground.

Karen
Karen
Reply to  Joshua Noriega
2 years ago

But unlike the person on top of the moving train we aren’t on top of the earth trying to travel we are inside protected by the earth we are still inside so that’s why we don’t feel the earth spinning a 1000 miles an hour because we are inside protected any winds would caused by earth moving would only be felt outside of earth just like people in the train don’t feel the wind unless they open a window so if we could somehow create a window and stick our arm out into space from the inside of earth to the outside of earth we could feel it but not likely considering at that speed anyone would survive. But earths outer crust keeps us nice a nestled inside so we don’t ever feel what’s going on outside goes unnoticed

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Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  Karen
2 years ago

No, we wouldn’t feel motion if we stuck our arms into space. There’s no air out there to create wind. All you’d feel would be your blood expanding and making your skin stretch from lack of external pressure.

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  Tray
1 year ago

Wind is related to thermodynamics in which a heated system will always lose heat to a cool reservoir. Heated air tends to be less dense than cool air because the molecules making up the heated air are in a more energetic state and on average are further from one another. Heated air tends to carry moisture with it and when the heated air collides with cool boundaries condensation of the moisture happens causing rain clouds to form which form weather systems that causes the warmer air to move out and cool air flushes in to take its place. There can be warm winds and winds without storm development depending on the thermodynamic conditions in a general region. Whats important to weather further is the coriolis effect caused from the differing speeds experienced by on object at the equator vs other parts of the globe north and south of the equator. Due to the spherical shape of the Earth, and a rotational time of about 24 hours the speeds of an object at the surface of the earth vary. For the equator the distance of 24901 miles divided by 24 hours gives close to 1000 mph, however, at the artic and antarctic circles the speed is 9940 miles / 24 hours to get closer to 400 mph. This variation in speed is partially responsible for the tides as well as wind currents that contribute to weather. This effect (not force) is especially observable on Jupiter including its giant red spot. Finally, the helicopter shares the initial velocity of the earth when it takes off, or the helicopter is thrown with the velocity of the earth upon take-off. This is the same reason why an apple can be thrown up on a plane and be caught without moving the hand, because the apple shares the initial velocity of the plane and the earth.

Prime Lemur
Prime Lemur
Reply to  Tray
1 year ago

People have understood atmospheric dynamics long before Einstein. He really has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic. The atmosphere is *coupled* to the Earth’s rotation. Air movement in the form of wind is exceptionally complicated. The Earth’s rotation has certain large scale effects on the movement & circulation of air. But it is also influenced by temperature & pressure at many different scales. Its only in recent years, and within the satellite age, that accurate longer range prediction can be made. Putting that aside … how could the Earth’s atmosphere _not_ rotate with the Earth? We see it happening in exactly the same way on Jupiter & Saturn, both of which have brightly coloured atmospheres that are similarly coupled to these planets’ rotations. How could the atmosphere not rotate … what could stop it from doing so? Yes, everything moves with it … obviously! I’m only surprised by the idea that you think this phenomenon is unexplained! You won’t make much progress with anyone by suggesting everyday phenomena have no explanation. The problem is you (apparently) think everyone else lives in a world of magic & mystery, where nobody has an explanation for anything. The reality is that everything is clearly and precisely explained … you just haven’t bothered checking. Airplanes are not directly affected by the Earth’s rotation. The Earth and its atmosphere is a coupled system. It doesn’t mean they’re rigidly locked together, but the net effect is that it tends to behave that way. Flying is not some magical feat invented yesterday … all aspects of flight are fully & consistently explained in a manner concordant with the commonly accepted understanding of the Earth and its atmosphere … and this should come as no surprise. Flying east or west is completely irrelevant to the mechanics of flight. The Earth isn’t rotating relative to the lower part of the atmosphere, or vice versa. Irrelevant to this question, but worth noting: humans have no innate sense of motion. We can, however, sense a change in motion: an acceleration. It is sensed in our inner ear. Sensory hairs protrude into a small structure, filled with a fluid, that allows us to directly detect any (sufficiently large) change of motion we are experiencing. Rollercoasters (for example) are designed, in part, to overwhelm this sensory organ. But we’re incapable of directly sensing motion. “I don’t feel like the Earth is moving”. Yes, that’s right. We’re not equipped to sense it. Consider the counterfactual: if you could sense motion, and you are travelling at thousands of kph. But it then begs the question: motion relative to what, exactly? Well, not the thing we’re standing on. We are motionless in reference to the Earth’s surface.

Mark
Mark
Reply to  Seth
2 years ago

Water does not bend! Construction have used water levels to level buildings for thousands of years, yet no round earther can produce a document to disprove this! If there is no Firmament, how do we have atmospheric pressure? There are literally thousands of things that prove flat earth, yet your cognitive dissonance caused by the training you have had since birth won’t let you think for yourself to open your mind and understand all the lies!

Raphan mcleod
Raphan mcleod
Reply to  Mark
2 years ago

But the water in a spirit level is very small only existing over a minuscule amount of land. Perhaps if we were to build an enormous level across the world with cameras that could be placed into an array to display synchronised a flat view of the bubble as not to distort our perception we would see a curve within a seemingly to the naked eye flatly built structure expanding across a flat earth. However to see beyond your eyes capabilities you’d have to rely on science to prove or disprove this. The reason I belive we can’t see this naturally is because we’re not meant to. It’s like the tree of knowledge the more we know the scarier it can get and also the more people or evil forces can slip in confusing mistakes that mathematically can work out for a number of things but then not others. The reason we have no unified theory is that all theories are indeed incorrect but they keep them to make things happen. Science in itself admits broadly that it can make things happen by understanding some concepts within parameters that allow for control or manipulation. However they cannot merge many fields such as quantum mechamics and general relativity, I admit it has been some time I read into these fields but I have heard nothing drastic in report if a unification which I know there would be much talk of.
What I am saying. Is that God indeed created all of this. Gods will is not for us to fight.over it but to know we can’t see it without help or it will blow our minds on both sides of this disagreement we have very close minded people I am wanting call foolish. And yes it used to be water but just to be funny at the end here I’d like to say a spirit level uses spirits like ethanol
But not ghosts, or water. Lol
Ps I have not proof read this so if there are any mistakes my apologies

LC Haro
LC Haro
Reply to  Raphan mcleod
2 years ago

Perhaps you should address the fact that people see much further, with the assistance of telephoto lenses, then the curvature of the earth should allow for. I would love to see such an experiment with even more powerful lenses. Experiments using lasers over long distances of water, being careful about the weather and other details, are pretty compelling. That’s what you need to be able to address. When people see things very far away, they also note that the objects are still fully vertical. They should have a somewhat compressed appearance as if they are leaning away from us if they are on a globe, no matter what the atmospheric conditions are at the time.

I think it would also be good for you to challenge and work on your assumptions about the atmosphere traveling with the globe. if, indeed, the atmosphere is traveling at the same speed as the globe, why would it make sense for the aeronautics industry and the military to “assume“ a flat and non-rotating earth when it comes to air travel from north to south, for example. Talk about a crosswind! and yes, I am using crosswind in a very casual manner. But I hope you get my drift. Even if we do not perceive spinning east-west, something weird should happen if we are traveling north to south. pilots have to cut on the deck for a Crosswinds unrelated to the spin of the earth when they land. How could they NOT have to accommodate if the landing strip is gone from north to south? If they have to course correct to get from New York to South America? None of that is happening, And no one calculated for that even before they had computers for airplanes.

I challenge you to challeng your assumption.

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  LC Haro
2 years ago

First of all, give me one example of someone being able to see too far. I bet you can’t. and buildings appear to be vertical because the dropoff of the curve, not the rotation, is what causes buildings to be obscured by the horizon. And course corrections are made on flights all the time. That’s the whole reason pilots exist, so point invalid.

Gary Ryan
Gary Ryan
Reply to  Joshua Noriega
1 year ago

There are many examples of seeing to far . An easy search . Mt San Jacinto in 3D Infrared, seen from 123 miles away, 4k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_X6BKhdsk&ab_channel=JTolanMedia1 .This would be impossible on a globe with the radius of 3959 which is suppose to be earths. Earth is scientifically provable flat and nonrotating . Just as your Bible says . If you believe in your Bible . To believe in the spinning space ball is just …Well , Stupid .

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Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  LC Haro
2 years ago

And a drop of several miles because of earth curvature is only a curve of fewer than ten degrees, so obviously, buildings don’t look tilted.

Karen
Karen
Reply to  Mark
2 years ago

What about Bermuda Triangle there is still a lot of unanswered questions maybe we just don’t know everything yet just bc it doesn’t ever appear to bend doesn’t mean there isn’t an explanation Im just saying maybe we should all have open minds cause truly nobody knows everything I’m listening to both sides but staying suspicious bc an open mind can still learn

Sam
Sam
Reply to  Mark
1 year ago

Water doesn’t bend? Have you ever used a level? Why is the air bubble inside a level a round shape? Clearly it’s ‘bending’ or ‘curving’ the water ‘around’ it inside the vial. Why are drops of water or other liquids a perfect sphere? Go to the search engine of your choice..any search engine. Go to Images and type in- drop of water -you will see water forms a perfect sphere when dropped. Even when dropped on a flat surface, a bead of water holds its rounded shape. If water doesn’t bend, how does it ‘bend’ into a spherical shape?

Prime Lemur
Prime Lemur
Reply to  Mark
1 year ago

The amount of curvature over any building’s floorplan is negligible. Water obeys the laws of physics. All points equidistant from the centre of the earth (or the centre of the earth’s mass, more precisely) experience exactly the same gravitational force. Water doesn’t “bend”, and describing it that way is an appeal to ignorance rather than intuition. Water will move to the configuration with the lowest potential energy. That point (for water that is contained in some way) is where all points on its surface are equidistant from the centre of the earth. That’s not “bending”. The atmosphere behaves in a very similar way. All of these things are clearly & thoroughly explained. Obviously. They’re not hidden or secret. They’re easier than at any time in human history to access. You haven’t lifted a finger to check any of the stuff you heard in a social media video. You just believed it, because it was wrapped in an attractive (to you) narrative. If you want proof of water’s behaviour, there are countless photos of ships, taken from kms away, where most of the bottom of the ship is missing, hidden by the Earth’s curvature. The top quarter or third is clearly visible … “taking out a telescope” won’t help: the part that is visible is crystal clear. The bottom part isn’t somehow further away, but just needs more magnification. Its actually hidden by the Earth’s curvature … and this is an everyday reality for anyone who works in ports where very large ships dock. There’s an Australian guy who worked at Singapore Anchorage & photographed many of the largest ships on earth. Hundreds of his crystal clear photos show ships at differing distances as they approach S.A.

Jon
Jon
Reply to  Seth
2 years ago

The Bible is my irrefutable document of proof. Ask GOD! (read Job 38)

So you and others say the atmosphere rotates with the earth and all that stuff; so tell me wouldn’t that have to limit this rotation to a single direction? Does that even sound logical to you? If you “propel” yourself “with” rotation or movement (for or against), I can’t see possible to use the exact same propellent, mass, speed, everything in going the opposite direction and getting the same results ie distance in same amount of time.

As far as documents assuming a flat earth to “simplify” calculations you are talking about people that fly jets and airplanes around and you can’t “simplify” these things. That is silly. Flying hundreds of miles an hour (and faster) and the so called curvature drop equates to something like 8 inches every square mile or whatever, I’d think you would need to “calculate” this into your flying … seriously think about it.

“Do your own research!” How is this hypocrisy exactly? It is great advice!

Lorice Walker
Lorice Walker
Reply to  Jon
2 years ago

Tbh I feel that God shouldn’t even be used to justify your explanations of what you deem to be questionable science. Because at the end of the day there’s a reason and purpose for everything that’s happened and is still happening in our existence here on earth. You’re counter arguments are fortunately amongst the minority so I take comfort in that fact.

Bottom line discernment and critical thinking have waned greatly I see.

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  Jon
1 year ago

The ancient egyptians believed in a spherical earth based on mathematical measurements done by the ancient greeks. The egyptians were very religious and worshiped deities that resembled animals like cats and birds. It seems that most flat earthers who claim biblical evidence for a flat earth would only need to be born in egypt under this religion during this time to have their priests tell them and ultimately convince them that the earth is spherical to be convinced. Just blatantly going with what some priest says or what some very old book says without offering any evidence requires absolutely no critical thinking. There seems to be a positive correlation with a complete lack of critical thinking and these horridly ignorant pseudo-science concepts.

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  Seth
1 year ago

Yes, and snipers in the military are trained to account for the curvature of the earth in their long distance shooting which is even said by Chris Kyle in his American Sniper book.

Anna
Reply to  Roger D Deese
3 years ago

“Simple and obvious answer: because there’s no net horizontal FORCE acting on the helicopter to cause it to move to a different location.“ (found this online)

Lorice Walker
Lorice Walker
Reply to  Anna
2 years ago

This statement is a perfect example why the internet has proved to be more bad than good. So much information with different interpretations has led to a plethora of conspiracy theorists triple than before the internet took off. I’m not saying it’s not useful but with that comes a whole new world in which you have to filter out what you’re taking in.
This is where discernment and good critical thinking are lacking in the digital age.

Riovo Gaming
Riovo Gaming
Reply to  Roger D Deese
3 years ago

the helicopter is also spinning at the same rate as the earth, as it is part of the earth’s atmosphere. Also, the earth is massive. I suggest you get a ping pong ball and a basketball. which one curves more? if you had any sense, you would say the ping pong ball. just take that example and scale it up by a factor of 1.5 x10^23 times. That is 15, followed by 22 zeros. That is how massive the earth is, it is so massive that you can’t even begin to imagine it. so you cant detect the curvature over short distances, just like an ant cant detect any curvature on a basketball. I have dumbed this down as much as I could while still keeping it relevant, and if you don’t understand this, I truly pity you.

Leon
Leon
Reply to  Riovo Gaming
3 years ago

The curve of the basketball and ping pong ball are the same lol

Natsujin
Natsujin
Reply to  Leon
3 years ago

No, it is not. They are both spherical, but they have a different curve. Basketballs are larger and curve more “slowly”, meaning that the angle is larger due to larger surface area. Ping pong balls are smaller and curve more “quickly”, meaning that the angle is sharper and has less surface area. Now, they do have the same RELATIVE curve as compared to their sizes, but not the same curve in general.

Tray
Tray
Reply to  Natsujin
3 years ago

Wrong! The angles are all the same, all angles add to 360. It is the basketball’s perimeter or circumference that is larger, but the angles are the same…this is elementary fgs..

Tray
Tray
Reply to  Leon
3 years ago

True, a sphere is a sphere. They all have 360°. Another daf argument by a globalist

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Tray
3 years ago

Imagine you are the size of a flea on the surface of that basket ball. Would it not look flat to the flea where ever it looked around? It, too, would see a flat horizon all the way around it from its perspective. It’s the same with earth. It is HUGE, you are SMALL. I really can’t believe people don’t think before commenting.

LC Haro
LC Haro
Reply to  John Smith
2 years ago

When NASA sends up cameras, We see the curve of a fisheye lens. When amateurs send a Camera to the same height, we see a flat earth. Pilots see a flat earth, as do passengers, unless the window is curved. NASA has presented us with a series of big blue Marble photos, round and globular. They proclaim that this is the earth. But they got busted, Because they used a lot of CGI and claimed sometimes that pictures of Jupiter were taken in different years, And yet all of the details in the clouds etc. were in identical places. as the evidence for flat earth grew, and they could no longer ignore the fact that things are a lot further away from each other in the southern “hemisphere“ then the globe would suggest, we started to hear people like Neil Degrasse Tyson tell us that the earth was an oblate spheroid, fat around the equator… And then he said that it was pear-shaped. Well, there is nothing pear-shaped about the pictures we have been shown of the earth. So apparently they were not just doing CGI on the continents and the cloud cover, apparently the entire shape of the world is wrong as well.

Really, you cannot blame people for thinking that what we’ve been taught since we were children has been a lie when we are faced with that sort of thing. People who are still firmly entrenched in their beliefs, what they were taught in school as opposed to what they empirically discovered for themselves, they need to wake up and realize what they don’t know. Their tax dollars, over $50 million a day for God knows how many years, have been going to a government agency that is lying to us. I think some answers are long overdue.

vishal
vishal
Reply to  LC Haro
2 years ago

is nasa is the only space station in the world . what about other space station. i m a indian and i dont believe that my government trying to hide that earth is flat. there are thousands of scientists around the world who are gelogists , are they are lying that earth is spherical.

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  Tray
2 years ago

Actually, you’re wrong. Measure the distance of the radius of a basketball, then go horizontally from the top of the basketball until you reach the length of the radius. Then, go down the length of the radius. Do the same with a ping pong ball. That’s a 90-degree curve for both, correct, but if you repeat the process on a basketball using the diameter of a ping pong ball, that’s much less than 90 degrees. This proves beyond doubt that ping pong balls curve more than basketballs. Another simpler way to prove this is to go around the circumference of a basketball once with measuring tape. Using the same length of measuring tape, count how many times that length goes around the ping pong ball. It’s many more times than the one that it goes around a basketball. So 360 degrees of a basketball is more than 360 degrees of a ping pong ball. This means the ping pong ball is more curved.

Derrick
Derrick
Reply to  Riovo Gaming
3 years ago

Great way to explain it!!!

Gabriel
Gabriel
Reply to  Riovo Gaming
3 years ago

Those four words you spoke “the earth is massive” is something they just can’t understand and upon that lack of understanding stems their delusion. I wrote it in eleven words: https://savedbypreaching.com/2019/01/dispelling-the-flat-earth-theory-in-11-words/

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Gabriel
3 years ago

They also cannot think 3 dimensionally. Also, if you went due east in a straight line in a boat, let’s say, assuming there were no land masses directly in your path; you’d set off and eventually you’d end up right back where you started from. Explain that, flat earthers! Oh, that’s right, you can’t, because that can only happen if the earth is a globe (it is, by the way, we checked).

LC Haro
LC Haro
Reply to  John Smith
2 years ago

First of all, you start with a big “if“ and proclaim that it would be true. You failed to account for the fact that it’s really hard to sail anywhere in a straight line, and that a compass will always point you to a magnet even if you are circling it. all circumnavigation of the earth is easily explainable on the flat earth model. What is puzzling or historical accounts of people attempting to circumnavigate the southern hemisphere, experienced sea captains, navigating by the stars, who say that they traveled 50 to 70,000 miles during their circumnavigation, and the sea captains who found themselves unexpectedly on the wrong side of continents based on using the globe understanding.

As I mentioned to someone else, we have been shown “pictures“ of the world by NASA. And yet now, we are being told that the world is an oblate spheroid. Then we are told that it is pear-shaped, fatter on the bottom. If this is the case, NASA lied to us about their globe images. Or they are lying now. So… Your argument falls apart even before it gets started. There’s nothing scientific about saying that IF people could circumnavigate the world from east to west in a boat, it WOULD Be proven that the world is a globe. That’s not proof. It is pure speculation.… Based on what you have been carefully taught, which is based on what NASA has told us about the shape of the earth. PS, all ancient proofs of a globe also apply to the flat earth model. It is scary out here in the world when you realize you’ve been lied to By the people that you respect and have faith in. Most of them were simply repeating the lies that they had been programmed to teach. The fact is, we don’t know the shape of the earth.

MIke Shellenberger Jr
MIke Shellenberger Jr
Reply to  LC Haro
2 years ago

Earth 25,000 miles in circumference obilate sphere weighing 13 septillion tons. Can’t feel that speed. Also hurricanes, plate tectonics, volcanoes, earthquakes, Jetstream can’t happen on a flat earth. Stop believing in debunked conspiracy theories with zero evidence to back up your claims. There is zero evidence of a flat earth. All experiments flerfers did failed miserably.

Fairburne
Fairburne
Reply to  LC Haro
2 years ago

all circumnavigation of the earth is easily explainable on the flat earth model.” This is incorrect. If you calculate distance between places on the flat earth model and compare them to the round earth they are not the same. Then when you travel the time it takes to get to said place matches with the round earth and not the flat earth.

Jeff black
Jeff black
Reply to  John Smith
2 years ago

Yeah but what happens setting off due South? Where would you end up then please explain good sir or sim or ger

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  Jeff black
2 years ago

If you go south you get to Antarctica. In fact, you try it yourself and get a job there. Then run to your flat-headed friends and destroy their universe by telling them Antarctica is a place, not a wall. https://jobs.antarctica.gov.au/jobs-in-antarctica/

Mkek
Mkek
Reply to  Gabriel
2 years ago

So you are a street preacher that does not believe in the book of Genesis?
Earth Created Before the Sun: Genesis 1:1-19
Universe is Complete, NOT ever expanding: Genesis 2:1

or that

Earth is a Disk/Circle, not a ball: Isaiah 40:22, Proverbs 8:27, Job 38:13-14

or that

Earth is fixed and immovable: 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 33:9, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Psalm 119:89-90, Isaiah 14:7, Isaiah 45:18, Zechariah 1:11, Hebrews 11:10, 2 Peter 3:5

there are many more examples in the Bible.

Marie
Marie
Reply to  Mkek
2 years ago

The Book Of Enoch.

MIke Shellenberger Jr
MIke Shellenberger Jr
Reply to  Mkek
2 years ago

Wrong Bible proves earth is round and space is real and endless universe. Antarctica is 5.84 million sq miles 5th largest continent on EARTH. NO IMAGINARY ICE WALL EXISTS. Hurricanes, volcanoes, earthquakes, Jetstream, plate tectonics can’t happen on a flat earth. Stop believing in debunked conspiracy theories with zero evidence to back up your claims.

Tracey
Tracey
Reply to  Roger D Deese
3 years ago

huh?

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Roger D Deese
3 years ago

In order of your questions/points:

1) What are you talking about? The atmosphere and thus, the air is rotating with the earth. This is why the helicopter can hover and not “fly” off in the direction of the earth’s spin. There is also something called “conservation of momentum”. Research it, you may find this fascinating.

2) It’s not. Level does not mean the same as flat. Check the actual definition of level as used in physics; you’ll be surprised as to it’s real meaning.

3) Anything that is half a mile or more long has to account for the curve of the earth: i.e. bridges and yes, even train tracks.

4) No they didn’t. Whoever wrote those “documents” doesn’t work for the dept. of defence. No pilot believes the earth to be flat, either, as navigation only works on a globe.

And your last point: it is YOU that needs to research more and stop listening to idiots on YouTube, such as Eric Dubay, Nathan Oakley, Nathan Thompson and other flat earth nutters. They all spew the same non-sensical rubbish which bears no resemblance to logic or reality.

LC Haro
LC Haro
Reply to  John Smith
2 years ago

there are, indeed, pilots who do not believe the earth is a globe, but employers don’t like them to talk about it. There are weaponry experts in the military who do not account for curvature at all. yes, including long-distance missiles. Some of their systems are based on rather primitive predecessor systems and work just fine. again, it is not acceptable in the military to discuss the flat earth model. So people don’t do it. Not openly.

Challenge your assumptions.

Jeff black
Jeff black
Reply to  John Smith
2 years ago

I’m calling BS on number 3. Simply on the fact that I’ve talked to many surveyors and when I would ask them do the take in consideration for the curvature of the earth not one said yes. As a reference it was surveyors in Florida that were working on the new bullet train going out to Port Cape Canaveral.

fire_lord_hollander_13
fire_lord_hollander_13
Reply to  Roger D Deese
2 years ago

ok, so there are 7.674 billion people on earth, roughly 8.7 billion species (types not individual animals) and tons of vegetation. you’re going to need a huge planet to accomidate all of that. that’s why you can’t see the curve of the earth while you stand on the ground, the earth is just so huge.

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  fire_lord_hollander_13
2 years ago

There are 7,953,950,000 people on earth actually

Marie
Marie
Reply to  Roger D Deese
2 years ago

I just recently noticed that In The Book Of Enoch he sees Earth under a dome when he rides through the sky with the messengers.
I am just saying ‍♀️

MIke Shellenberger Jr
MIke Shellenberger Jr
Reply to  Marie
2 years ago

Book of Enoch is not God’s word. Only the Bible is God’s word.

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  MIke Shellenberger Jr
2 years ago

Bible was written by people

Fairburne
Fairburne
Reply to  Roger D Deese
2 years ago

Here is the thing. People have done the research which is why the earth is round. Modern day science can and does easily explain everything we experience when it comes to a round earth. If you examine the flat earth theories they can’t be explained scientifically everything just falls apart. Flat earthers do not scrutinize evidence of a flat earth like they do a round one. I can’t wait for man kind to have orbital space flight for the masses. Then all you flat earthers can see it for your own eyes and finally stop the crazy. Of course the flat earthers that don’t see it won’t believe the flat earthers that do. They will just say they have been brain washed or some other crazy thing. Or if they see it for their own eyes they will say the government is using a technology to trick their eyes of what they see through a window. Like a TV screen. So even if we do have public orbital flights or a colony on the moon some flat earthers still won’t believe it. It will just be another government conspiracy to control the population.

Bart Florczyk
Bart Florczyk
Reply to  Roger D Deese
2 years ago

Put water in a wine glass. Somehow it conforms to ball shape of a wine glass. Isn’t that something? I though it was always level.

Prime Lemur
Prime Lemur
Reply to  Roger D Deese
1 year ago

Oh … and there’s no “free energy”. Harnessing & manipulating energy has been central to human development. People have been poking it & prodding it for centuries to understand all its forms. We’re surrounded by vast amounts of energy, and there are forms we don’t fully understand. Our transition to renewable energy, whatever form that finally takes & wherever that may eventually lead, is the closest we’ll get to “free energy” in the foreseeable future. In _economic_ terms, the commoditised resources we’ve ben relying on for energy production aren’t the most expensive part of the chain of processes & technologies that provide use with usable power. The cost of processing, refining, transport or transmission, conversion &/or conditioning are what makes energy expensive. And once every century or so, the whole lot is up-ended as we evolve our energy sources & consumption. There’s literally nowhere to hide “free energy”, no matter who it might disadvantage. Its easier now than at any time to place something in the public domain in a way that cannot be interdicted. 50 years ago, you might’ve at least been able to mount the argument. But not today.

Jon
Jon
Reply to  Ethan
2 years ago

So the atmosphere “spins” with the so called body of earth right? That would have to be in one direction right? I think that would explain throwing something high up and coming down in app the same area OK but that certainly gets a little screwy explaining now why an airplane gets from LA to Washington DC the same time going the same speed in EACH direction. I would believe that would be some serious tailwinds fighting the rotation of the Earth coming back LOL… think about it … I will wait!

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  Mick
3 years ago

What your talking about is wind resistance, not the acceleration… if you accelerate from o to 40 mph you will feel it, but not while holding a steady 40 mph. Pick the smoothest road possible, shut the windows and drive at a steady 40 mph. you will not feel acceleration (or wind resistance).. you may feel road irregularities but the Earth is not on a road and it doesn’t encounter wind resistance. only vacuum… well, not really a vacuum but rather empty space; where no air, gases, or matter have ever been (except for occasional fast traveling dust & meteor particles).

BTW calling space a vacuum is wrong, a vacuum is the dragging force of moving air through a hose or duct, or the vacuum created in closed chamber, but space is not a created vacuum or held in an enclosure, but the original and complete absence of atmospheric air or other gases or matter. Both the Big Bang or the Bible start saying or implying there was nothing at the beginning… so, what is so strange to flat earth people they can’t accept the facts?

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  Joe Black
2 years ago

Vacuum: A region of space devoid of matter. It isn’t a force. There’s no such thing as a vacuum force. Just pressure pushing things into the vacuum gives the illusion of suction. Space is a vacuum. The reason it doesn’t suck up the atmosphere is that gravity is a force that holds down the atmosphere.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Joshua Noriega
1 year ago

Maybe I generalized a bit back there… what I meant is vacuum as a “force” is the relative/partial vacuum created by flowing air through a vacuum cleaner’s hose. The idea got stuck in my mind from a response I gave to a FE guy that argued that the vacuum/emptiness of space can’t exist because it would take an enormous and powerful vacuum cleaner to create it.  

So, in that sense, a relative/partial vacuum is something man creates in an enclosure with the use of a vacuum pump, but Space is not something anyone created, it’s the void which is absent of matter or energy in any form. At least that’s what it was before the Big Bang, and still is beyond the borders of the Universe, and drawing from your conclusion that space is a vacuum, the void beyond the Universe may be what is sucking it and creating its Expansion. 

Sounds crazy, I know… but? Give it some thought!

John jacob
John jacob
Reply to  Aidan
3 years ago

Are you being serious. Yiu can’t feel speed, so cant feel motion? This is not an accurate post to state something like this. Can’t from speed…wow

Sergio
Sergio
Reply to  John jacob
3 years ago

I’m not on either side as of right now but if we were born while the Earth was already done accelerating, then we wouldn’t feel anything because it’s speed is already stable.

Jason
Jason
Reply to  Sergio
2 years ago

But if you lived in Florida for your first 30yrs of life spinning at about 800 mph and then move to Alaska for a few months you wouldn’t feel the 450mph decrease in speed? I still can’t figure out how a plane can take off on an west to east runway in Alaska and land on a north south runaway in Florida. How does it compensate in that speed change?

Fairburne
Fairburne
Reply to  Jason
2 years ago

That is because you lack an education and if you educate yourself and read the explanation you refuse to believe it because everything that proves you wrong you believe to be manipulated by the government.

For example. You go into space. You are floating in a space suit looking at the earth and you see a sphere. You would probably claim that the helmet is a Virtual Reality helmet and what you are seeing isn’t actually what is in front of you. Even if you examined the helmet you would assume that they are playing a “trick” on you. Manipulating what you see somehow. Why? Because you believe the earth is flat. Most flat earthers are so broken in their thinking that no amount of evidence will ever convince them. One day humans will be colonizing other planets or at least the moon and flat earthers will still exist.

Shinra
Shinra
Reply to  Sergio
1 year ago

With the elliptical orbit of earth as it moves around the sun, the earth speeds up as it is closer to the sun. Look it up or “Do your own research”. Wouldn’t you feel that acceleration as we got closer to the sun and feel the deceleration as we moved farther away

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  Shinra
1 year ago

Yes, and some plants like cannabis require this phenomenon to stimulate the breeding cycle in that plant. As the planet goes towards the sun, after the northern hemisphere experiences its summer solstice, the frequency of light between the light source that is the sun and the earth experiences a blue shift under the photoelectric effect. A blue shift correlates with an increase in energy stimulating the breeding cycle in plants (and can vary depending on the plant and its energy needs). Indoor growers even have to induce this phenomenon artificially by changing their light source from a yellow light bulb to a more intense blue light.

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  John jacob
3 years ago

Conservation of momentum. It’s a thing. Travel in a car at 60mph, apart from slight bumps and undulations in the road surface, going around bends, etc., you do not feel much of anything, are not pinned to your seat and can move freely. You certainly don’t “feel” that your body is moving at all so you don’t feel the speed. You only feel the acceleration or the slowing down because of inertia. Objects at rest tend to want to stay at rest unless acted upon, the same as objects in motion tend to want to stay in motion unless acted upon. Basic high school level physics.

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  John Smith
3 years ago

3rd-grade level physics actually.

herbdoc
herbdoc
Reply to  John Smith
1 year ago

thats cos u r protected by the car get on a motorbike at 60mph and tell me u cant feel speed? most jets fly about 700mph if they flying into 1000mph spin they wud end up flying backwards?

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  John jacob
2 years ago

But you can’t. You can only feel changes in speed.

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  Aidan
3 years ago

Known as G Force (gravitational acceleration).. and Earth is not accelerating, or spinning so fast as to expel anyone off the surface… the centrifugal force created by a rotation of once every 24 hours is negligible… about 0.00341 G.

Tray
Tray
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

It’s not about the full rotation, but the speed at which it rotates…1000mph is not negligible….

For example, a merry-go-round thats 63 ft in circumference would go 2.7 ft/hr to make a full rotation every 24hrs. Very slow. Now get on a merry-go-round that’s 6300 ft in circumference, 100x the size of the previous. Now your going 270ft/hr. And you think you wont be able to feel the difference in speed between the two?? Wow is all I got to say to all yall

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  Tray
3 years ago

The centrifugal force of the earth is only enough to make you 5.5 ounces lighter at the equator than at the poles, so I’m gonna say, that no, you wouldn’t feel the difference in speed.

James Savard
Reply to  Tray
2 years ago

Well, I don’t know what the “wow” is about. Joe is right.

As you’re moving along, you wouldn’t be able to feel any difference in speed. I think we all know that. Same as being in a car or in a plane. At 270ft/hr – you might be able to see some slight movement if you’re looking at the ground carefully beside the merry-go-round that you didn’t really notice at 2.7ft/hr.

Not likely to feel any wind resistance at 270 ft/hr either. You may feel the tiniest of nudges when the merry-go-round started moving from a dead stop. And you may detect an equally tiny nudge forward when the merry-go-round stopped at the end of the ride. Nothing in between. This is pretty basic stuff.

Doesn’t matter how fast you’re going, you don’t feel speed as you’re moving. You feel acceleration. You feel deceleration. And you feel resistance of objects that come into contact with you (bugs or birds) or air that aren’t travelling as fast or in the same direction as you are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AcxQXGqD9U8

Whether it’s 2.7ft/hr, 270ft/hr, 270,000 miles per hour, it’s all the same when you’re already moving. You can only feel the starting and the stopping. And the birds (see video).

So let’s say that merry-go-round was as big as the earth, and you’re travelling at 1,000 mph, same as the earth. Motion while you’re riding wouldn’t be any different. Would feel exactly the same. But there would be tons of air resistance at 1,000 mph from this very large fictional place where the earth-sized merry-go-round is located. It would be very difficult to stay on this merry-go-round, but because of the air resistance, not speed or centrifugal force. Remember, the air around the merry-go-round is not moving, but you are moving at 1,000 mph. It would be the same as sticking your head out the window of a car going 1,000 mph. Or riding a motorcycle at 1,000 mph. Probably wouldn’t be very pleasant – or safe, especially if there are birds.

No detectable pulling to the outside either due to centrifugal force. But I’ll get into that later.

On a merry-go-round this size, the rider would feel like they were travelling in a straight line. The curve of the merry-go-round would not be visible because of sheer size and perspective. You would have to move many miles above and away from the merry-go-round to start to even begin to see its round shape.

Same as the horizons when you view the ocean. Looks flat – however, the curve is actually there. But from your perspective it is so slight it is not detectable.

Accelerating to 1,000 mph from being stopped, I think you would probably feel that, depending on how quick you accelerated. If you accelerated in less than a second, I’m sure it would be a terrible experience

If that merry-go-ground came to a dead stop instantly, it would most definitely be fatal and you would be thrown hundreds of feet or more. Same as being thrown from a car that has hit a rock and come to a sudden stop.

So if some outside force caused the earth to come to a dead stop as it rotates? Yes, we’d all most likely be dead, thrown and crushed.

But no, you cannot feel your own speed if your surroundings and air around you are all moving at the same rate along with you. 1,000 mph, 10,000 mph, 1,000,000 mph. It does’t matter. Same as cars, planes, rockets and merry-go-rounds.

But you’re probably still wondering about centrifugal force. The little or big merry-go-round wasn’t rotating enough to generate any that would be detectable. But that giant merry-go-round going 1,000 mph, why wouldn’t we be thrown off sideways as we’re rotating around?

Regular merry-go-rounds or carousels don’t move quick enough vs. their diameter to exert a lot of centrifugal force. Otherwise kids would be falling off constantly. It would be a bad scene. They typically run at 5.5 rpm, a perceived safe level of rotation.

This is because centrifugal force is calculated with RPM (angular velocity) and the radius of the object you’re working with. It has nothing to do with speed (tangential velocity), just as Joe said.

Ever taken a ride on a Gravitron at carnival?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitron

Now the Gravitron is all about centrifugal force – and has angled walls to push the riders back and experience some “G’s”. It rotates at about a maximum of 24rpm, and is roughly the same size as a carousel (maybe a bit smaller at around 30 feet).  If you ever have the chance to take a ride on one, you’ll get to experience 3 g’s or three times the force of gravity. It’s a strange sensation.

Even stranger, though, is being pushed up helplessly against this wall, barely able to lift my arms or move my head – and all the while, the operator whose seat is in the middle of the circle, and is rotating in this machine every bit as fast I am on the outer edge, is calmly sipping his coffee and carrying on his business. He can’t feel the speed.

His relaxing ride is interrupted, however, when I beg him to help me find the wallet has been sucked by means of centrifugal force out of my pocket, through an opening in the wall of the ride. But that’s another story.

If you want to figure out how to find g’s on your own, here’s a cool little calculator:

http://insilico.ehu.es/mini_tools/rcf_rpm.php

To give you the numbers, the Gravitron runs at a maximum of 24rpm, and is about 30 feet in diameter. You’ll note that the calculator doesn’t care about speed (tangential velocity) – only size (radius) and rate of rotation (angular velocity). You’ll need to convert the feet to mm and the diameter I gave you to radius.

Now, let’s talk about the earth again. I agree, rotating at 1,000 mph sounds really fast, but it isn’t. Not when you’re talking about a roundish object that is 24,901 miles in circumference at the middle. Same goes for the fictional giant earth-sized merry-go-round.

Now, if you were one of the nearly 600 lucky people over the last 60 odd years who’ve had the privilege of observing the earth from space, you probably would have noticed the spin of the earth is not easily detectable. This is because the earth has a low rpm (0.00069 rpm) and a large radius (3,958.8 miles), and thus, relatively low centrifugal force. If you haven’t been to space, you should try to contact one of these people, I’m sure they would be happy to tell you all about what they experienced and observed.

Most of the movement they would actually be able to see would be from the movement of their own vehicle, usually moving much faster than 1,000 mph.

When a round object is spinning, most of the centrifugal force is exerted on the outer edge, furthest from the axis, (the equator), and none is exerted at its axis (the poles). Same goes for the earth. A person standing on the equator is experiencing all of the centrifugal force the earth has to offer. That same person standing at the north pole is experiencing none at all. Did they feel anything different? Not likely. The difference is actually about 1% of body weight.

Here’s a nice little article about this:

https://www.wtamu.edu/~cbaird/sq/2014/01/07/do-i-weigh-less-on-the-equator-than-at-the-north-pole/

So how fast would the earth have to spin for us to overcome earth’s gravity and anything not fastened to the ground would start moving towards space? It would be anything more than 1g of centrifugal force at the equator, I suppose.

So there’s a way of calculating this …

RPM = sqrt(G-Force / (1.799424 x Radius))

And we are looking for a G-Force of 1 to supposedly offset gravity.

Rumour has it among the many smart scientists specializing in Geodesy (the science of accurately measuring and understanding the Earth’s geometric shape, orientation in space, and gravity field), including even Greek scholar Eratosthenes back in 240 BC, that the circumference of the earth is about 25,000 miles – (24,091 miles to be exact).

And, according to all those 7th graders out there who have learned the the rule of Pi, the radius of the earth is: 3,958.8 miles.

So …

RPM = sqrt(1 / (1.799424 x 3958.8))
= 0.011848175128475 RPM

So that’s 24,901 miles of circumference x 0.01184 rpm (spins per minute). So, according to my questionable math skills, more than 17,702 miles per hour would be the required rotation speed to offset the force of gravity and things would start to float (and only if you were standing at the equator) as opposed to the 1,000 miles per hour that you suggested was fast.

And again, even at that crazy break-neck speed of 17,702 mph, we still wouldn’t feel the difference in speed between the two. Nope, not at all. We would just start to feel a little light in our shoes.

And that cranky carnival worker from the Gravitron? He’d be sitting at the north pole on a stool, sipping his coffee, watching it all go down, saying “Good luck, y’all!”.

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  Tray
2 years ago

If you were exposed to an independent/isolated atmosphere that didn’t move with the Earth, you wouldn’t be able to stand on the ground… but the atmosphere moves with the Earth. It’s like riding in the smoothest riding car, on the smoothest hi-way, at a steady speed you were born to have lived and will die, it’s like we don’t know immovability, having never felt it and the brain compensates by balancing our center of gravity to cancel any possible movement it should (if it should) be detecting.

On a 6300 ft circumference merry-go-round, the rotation would be at 4.37 feet or 52.5 inches a minute or 0.87 inch a second… do you think we should feel that?

Fairburne
Fairburne
Reply to  Tray
2 years ago

Just because you lack for a true understanding of how it all works doesn’t make it not true. Why don’t flat earthers do the research? And when they read something they don’t understand research that?

Omni
Omni
Reply to  Tray
2 years ago

Has no one ever considered a simple example of how if you dip a tennis ball in water and then throw it. The water spreads out of the ball instead of keeping it in. And I know you can argue. Because of gravity. But then you gotta ask the question does gravity work the same way regardless of what it’s pulling. Cause it seems to me that the laws of gravity don’t apply the same to different types of things. Something that makes more sense is density and the magnetic field of the plane-t is what causes the idea of gravity, and keeping density in mind example filling a glass with honey,water and oil will separate them from each other and the one with more density is pulled further down. And to go even further, say u drop a pebble rock being more dense than honey it will fall all the way down , drop an olive, and it sits above the water, drop a bottle cap and it sits above the oil.. if gravity as we were taught in school was playing a role as far as we know. How does it explain any of this? Or does gravity discriminate, causing unfair practices.

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  Omni
1 year ago

Im not sure what the plane-T is but magnetism typically travels orthogonal to an electric current suggesting that magnetism and electricity are a unified force typically called electromagnetism. The honey may at first seem to settle below the water but electrostatic forces will cause the honey to slowly dissolve in the water because honey is mostly carbohydrates which are polar and soluble in polar water. As long as there is available polar charge from the molecules that make up the water body then polar charges from the carbohydrates will dissolve, on a mole to mole basis. The oil however contains an abundance of hydrocarbon non-polar molecular groups that cannot interact with polar water due to incompatible charge and the layers will separate. Electromagnetic forces have been shown to be marginally stronger than the force of gravity, the other difference is electromagnetism only acts over very short distances perhaps due to wave behavior of low mass particles that make up electromagnetic systems. However gravity acts over very long distances such Pluto being bound to the sun in an orbit despite being more than 3 billion miles from the sun. Now pressure can be thought of as the force experienced over an increment of area like the surface of a fluid body. If one fluid is more dense than the other and sinks then the molecules that make up that fluid are likely closer to one another per increment of area then the less dense body of liquid. Gravity acts on each individual molecule of the body of fluid similarly so a stronger gravitational force places stronger pressure on the body of fluid. The less dense fluid above also experiences a pressure increase with greater gravity but it is proportional preventing the density to become greater than the bottom layer. And finally as noted by Newton the moon does not fall to the earth despite the moon being more dense than the earth, this is due to a separate force from electromagnetism, which is called gravity.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Tray
1 year ago

6300 feet in 24 hours
262.5 ft an hour,
4.38 feet or 52.5 inches per minute,
0.73 inch per second…

Wouldn’t throw a mouse off the merry-go-round.

Last edited 1 year ago by JoeBlack
Jason
Jason
Reply to  Joe Black
2 years ago

But what about centrifugal force and gravity… isn’t gravity generated by the core of the earth? So it’s safe to say that it’s relatively equal all over the planet, correct? But what about centrifugal force? Would a 200lbs man spinning at the equator around 1,038 mph feel like he’s a 400lbs man spinning in Alaska at 400-500 mph? Obviously not. But why is it that centrifugal force, Newton’s 3rd LAW isn’t at play but the THEORY of general relativity is?

Sergio
Sergio
Reply to  Aidan
3 years ago

Yeah, but if you travel in the opposite direction that the Earth is spinning you should definitely feel some resistance. For example: You walking south to the back of a train to relieve yourself or get a snack from the food car while the train is moving north; you feel a strong force kind’ve pushing you back, that’s why you might find yourself grabbing on to seats to get back there. Even when you walk the same direction the train is moving (north) you feel a bit of a push in the direction you’re moving because the train is moving faster than you are and its force is pushing against you. You should feel that with the Earth as well.

Tracey
Tracey
Reply to  Sergio
3 years ago

I travel on trains a lot (long distance, 4+hours) and I stumble going in both directions and so do other people. We are traveling the same speed as the train while we are on the moving train. If we walk up and down the train we are both traveling the speed of the train and our own speed while walking.

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  FED
3 years ago

Travelling through space is not the same as travelling on a road or through the atmosphere, there are no road bumps, irregularities, potholes, or turbulence, wind resistance, nothing to shake the ride, oppose resistance or even cause noise, or slow down the speed which btw is 67,000 miles per hour, not 6,000.. and it could be much faster but without any kind of resistance, turbulence or bumpy travel, we would not feel the speed. The Earth is also like a huge vehicle and that’s another factor for comfortable travel. If buses have a much smoother ride than cars, a cruise ship rides the sea much smoother than a small boat, etc. So imagine the Earth as a huge vehicle that travels through nothingness, why should wee feel the ride?

It’s clear flat-earthers try to explain reality with flat earth “notions” but logic doesn’t work that way, You can’t mix reality with fantasy like you can’t mix water with electricity… it doesn’t work well.

If Heaven is above the dome? is God (and angels) swimming the waters of the firmament?. Make up your mind!.. you’ve probably read the arguments against water occupying the firmament so now you’re trying to remove it and replace it with Heaven.

Vic
Vic
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

Maybe theyre not flying theyre floating

Tracey
Tracey
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

Thank you, but sadly people only believe what they want. No matter how much common sense you show them they will believe the fantasy because they want to. That is why people believe in the bible even though there is so much that doesn’t make sense or does not mean what they claim it means.

LC Haro
LC Haro
Reply to  Joe Black
2 years ago

Occam’s razor. Globe enthusiasts go to extremely complicated measures to explain the things that seem very nonsensical… We feel like we are on a solid immovable surface. We’ve been lied to about being on a globe or an oblique steroid or a pear by people who show us space stations that appear to be in studios with harnesses and green screens, and in GeForce plans with the video edited to accommodate the time that they are able to be in zero gravity. we are showing videos of people in space suits outside of space stations and yet we know that these guys in water and there are bubbles coming out from their suits in the supposed space footage. What the heck do you expect people to believe anymore? NASA is no longer even remotely reliable. 50 million dollars a day. That’s 50 million reasons not to tell the truth. Every freaking day.

What if the obvious is what is true?

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  LC Haro
2 years ago

What I know about flat-earthers is that being misfit couch potatoes that spend their lives in front of a screen, they’be become so addicted to Hollywood Productions, they can’t make-out the difference between fiction and reality, so their fallacious mentality has fiction and reality mixed up.

Honest, I have interacted with so many flat-earthers and all seem to have the same types of personalities, they seem to have lived like hermits, have never seen a starry sky on a clear night, so they have missed the spectacle of the Milky Way you can only see from out in the country or better from a desert… You see it once, and you know that space and the Universe are all very real, are much, much more and infinitely bigger than what you have been led to believe, and that much cannot possibly be/fit within the enclosed environment of a flat earth with a dome, and could never disappear altogether during the day… and it should at least appear like a dust cloud.

Florian F
Florian F
Reply to  FED
3 years ago

And you shouldn’t feel anything as long as you don’t stick your arm out of the atmosphere.

MattGreen
MattGreen
Reply to  FED
3 years ago

You do realize how big the earth is. For the earth’s size 5000 mph feels like would be like nothing

harrison
harrison
Reply to  FED
3 years ago

yes, but for the earth to be flat we would have to go EVEN FASTER about 20000 miles an hour, and even then your flat earth idea if true the earth would have imploded billions of years ago.

Natsujin
Natsujin
Reply to  harrison
3 years ago

Well, I’m not sure you can implode a 2D disc, but I do agree that the earth would need to spin much faster to still be able to simulate what you see on a globe.

Paul Silsby
Paul Silsby
Reply to  FED
3 years ago

There is no way of sensing speed unless it is relative to something. So when in space and every other star and planet are moving with you what are you measuring against.

Tray
Tray
Reply to  Paul Silsby
3 years ago

Better question is, what are you thrusting against when in space to make propulsion necessary?

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  Tray
3 years ago

Rockets use jet propulsion (aka pushing out matter in the form of flames and then pushing out more matter which pushes against the matter that has already been pushed out.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Tray
1 year ago

In space, the rocket exhaust is thrusting against the rocket itself

You only need a little imagination to understand rockets… within the atmosphere they don’t push against the atmosphere, the exhaust pushes against the rocket itself. You can understand the principle with a party balloon, inflate it and release it… the escaping air exerts pressure/propulsion against the balloon itself.

A solid fuel rocket: The type you stick into the ground, you light it and the burning propellant creates an expansion force, that finds the exhaust and as it escapes, it pushes against the rocket itself. 

Rockets basically need fuel, an oxidizer, an injector burner, an igniter, a combustion chamber and an exhaust opening. Both fuel and oxidizer are mixed and injected into the combustion chamber where the igniter provides the spark or flame, and as the fuel mixture burns and expands in the combustion chamber, it finds the exhaust, and exerts the propulsion force against the rocket engine itself. And it doesn’t need an atmosphere, rockets can be launched from submarines, launch platforms, from the ISS or even from an orbit, to be launched to a higher orbit or in reverse to slow down and start the reentry.

Doug
Doug
Reply to  FED
3 years ago

If you a a bee are riding in a car y’all both don’t feel the force go going fast pushing you back. Now if our planet mad impact with a big asteroid well…. all that motion and energy will then go somewhere and be felt… but we are also so damn small it’s like we’re the size of an atom in comparison…. to small to feel a difference

Joe
Joe
Reply to  FED
3 years ago

I truly believe that we live on a flat plane. Plane, planet- same. Why doesn’t a pilot have to keep dipping the nose of the plane down to keep from flying out into space? It’s set on autopilot, straight ahead, NO CURVES!!! Flat plane ahead! Show me anywhere else other than your mind water sticking on a spinning ball??? Anywhere??? No, huh?

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Joe
3 years ago

Learn about “reference frames”, please.

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  Joe
3 years ago

The plane couldn’t keep flying in a straight line unless the pilot was constantly increasing the speed of the plane to generate more lift to compensate for the thinning atmosphere, and that just doesn’t happen. Once a plane reaches cruising altitude, it stays at that height because it doesn’t have enough speed to hold the plane up at higher altitudes due to the thin air. And the fact that the earth is spinning isn’t relevant. The centrifugal force generated by the earth at the equator only makes the oceans lighter by 5.5 ounces for every 100 pounds. This is insignificant compared to gravity (the thing that pulls the water toward the center of the earth in the first place.

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  FED
3 years ago

Your speeds are totally way off, dude. Stop confusing linear momentum with angular.

MIke Shellenberger Jr
MIke Shellenberger Jr
Reply to  FED
2 years ago

Earth is 25,000 miles in circumference roundish obilate sphere weighing 13 septillion tons. Earth rotates at 1,037 MPH can’t feel it since earth is huge, so 1,000 MPH is slow.

SAzzle
SAzzle
Reply to  FED
2 years ago

Have you ever watched a baby develop? You can actually see them adjusting to these forces.

Bart Florczyk
Bart Florczyk
Reply to  FED
2 years ago

Seriously? You have no clue how relativity works then. Take a basketball and spin it once every 24 hours. Real fast huh? Same applies to the earth.

Oscar Angel
Oscar Angel
Reply to  FED
1 year ago

It is important to ask questions and find the root of things before making assumptions. See, you experience inertia often when you drive. You’re in a car and you know you’re going fast. But you feel nothing. You can grab a coin and flip it, as the coin flies, it is not being held by you, it flies untethered and falls back on your palm. How? Because even though it seems the coin was stationary on your hand, it was moving at the speed of the car, as were you. So to answer your question – if everything is moving a direction, then nothing feels like it’s moving at all. Interesting concept and a little hard to grasp.

David Gregory
David Gregory
Reply to  bogart
4 years ago

A moon in the day is completely possible the sun is millions of miles away shines off the moon duh

Leon
Leon
Reply to  David Gregory
3 years ago

Ok I live in the uk, when I have the sun and moon visible at the same time lax where is Australia’s moon or sun. It’s not just a certainties of year either as it happens all year round

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  Leon
1 year ago

I would recommend a program like stellarium for the comparisons.

Haron
Haron
Reply to  bogart
3 years ago

Crazy, maybe the planet was named before we knew the Earth was round.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Haron
1 year ago

Planet in ancient Greek means wanderer, and it was given to Mars as the first planet to be discovered in the night sky… they noticed it was not still like other stars, but kept moving through the year so, they knew it was something else, and they gave it the appropriate named of wanderer… later when more planets were discovered, and they knew wanderer could not apply to a single planet, they gave them different names. They later understood this was also a wanderer object and named it planet Earth.

JoeBlack
Reply to  JoeBlack
1 year ago

Ancient Greek: Planitis (English: Wanderer)
Ancient Greek: Planitis <to> Latin: Planetae 
Latin: Planetae <to> Spanish: Planeta 
Latin: Planetae <to> English: Planet

The word planet has nothing to do with flat or round shape.

Shane Michaels
Reply to  bogart
3 years ago

Your attempting to complicate the matter before you can even explain how Day/Night work, How Seasons work, How the stars in the night sky work. Rockets don’t need air, you’re confusing Jet Engines with Rockets. I’m not even sure how some of your assertions “Don’t Work”. Why would Venus only be in our “day time sky”?
If you can zoom in on the Sun after it sets, then how is it ever night time? Particularly when flying at 40,000ft up? Your “latin” is also not even close. Not sure which site or video you’ve obtained this “information” from, but absolutely none of it is even remotely true. The spherical model explains Night/Day, Seasons, Stars in our sky, Upside down moon south of the equator, Not only can FE explain none of these, there isn’t even a FE map, let alone a working model. I don’t even need any science, math, or Government Space Agencies to prove the Earth is not flat. Go ahead, have a look.
https://qr.ae/pNsxsw
https://qr.ae/pNsqn2
https://qr.ae/pNsqTi

Natsujin
Natsujin
Reply to  Shane Michaels
3 years ago

Actually, there is an FE map, but it’s kinda weird. I also don’t understand how one could even see Venus in ANY time of day, considering I only ever manage to see stars when I look up at the sky at night. I don’t know where he even got that from…

MIke Shellenberger Jr
MIke Shellenberger Jr
Reply to  Natsujin
2 years ago

Funny thing that fe map is based off the globe

John
John
Reply to  bogart
3 years ago

The full moon rises as the sun sets, it is never visible in the daytime.

Isaac
Isaac
Reply to  John
3 years ago

That is incorrect, the full moon is visible many times throughout the year while the sun is up.

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  Isaac
1 year ago

No the moon will only appear to be full as the sun is setting. Objects that are between the sun and the earth like mercury and venus and the moon at certain times of the month during its orbit around the earth. To see the full surface of a planet or the moon the object has to be farther from the sun than the earth is. For instance Jupiter and Saturn are never viewed in a crescent form until you go beyond the orbit of Jupiter and Saturn. To experimentally confirm this, hold a ball in your palm in front of a light source. Hold your arm steady and make a complete circle and observe the phase changes on the ball as you make the turn. The shadows will be comparable to what is observed in a moon cycle. If the sun is still above the horizon and the “full moon” is out it is not technically full as it has begun its waning cycle and if looked at close enough the slight shadow will become apparent. People have often used the phase of the moon and the observed time it rises and is at the meridian to tell time at night. In fact, if the sundial was invented in the southern hemisphere where the shadow on the sundial appears to move in the counter-clock wise direction, our clocks these days would likely also go in the counter clock wise direction. However in the northern hemisphere the sundial shadow travels in the clock-wise direction due to the most direct sun rays traveling along the equators direction as the earth spins. Furthermore, traveleing north or south from the equator allows the shadow on the sundial to grow longer consistent with a curved surface in relation to a light source rather than a flat surface. This concept was used by the ancient greeks when they measured the shadows of equally sized obelisks in cities to the north and south of each other over a sizeable distance. Greeks such as Eratosthenes then used trigonometry to measure the circumference of the earth based on these measurements using the arc measurement technique. Later, satellite computers that lack the human perspective confirmed these calculations and supported them with observations of a spherical earth.

nukri
nukri
Reply to  John
3 years ago

nope, i saw many times moon in daytime )

Liberty Lou
Reply to  John
10 months ago

Linguist/Philosopher among other humanistic things here, not a scientist…. Just thought I’d intercede with my 20c worth….. The sun doesn’t actually “set”. The earth just turns its back on it as we move into morning when we face it again… To say, “when the world turns” is more correct in fact, however, to say the sun sets is more grammatically convenient. BTW, I’m a Globalist…. Not sure which would be doing what if the world was flat. Oh yes, one needs to be luguistically apt with analogies and metaphors when reading the Bible. In simple, non contradictory terms, the Bible is historically physiologically and philosophically correct so far…. Where can I get my hands on the missing 15 books ?

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  bogart
3 years ago

Water is rarely “perfectly flat” on the sea, it’s normally wavy and curved both up and down. Slowly pour a few drops of water on a flat and smooth surface, next see the curved shape the water drops have adopted. Water is harder to find with a flat surface than with a curved and distorted surface, that’s caused by sea currents, wind, the Moon’s and even the Sun’s gravitational attraction, so why would our planet’s own gravity not bend it?. Water is not a stiff object… it’s the sum of gazillions of H2O molecules that are constantly rejecting away from the rest and only when nothing disturbs it, it can form a film that holds the jumping molecules down, and be smooth and flat. So, water is much easier and more likely to be all wavy and curved than perfectly flat, and different forces (wind, currents, gravity from all sides (from Moon, Sun and from this planet) shape it and curve it. Planet is English, plan latin, planeta spanish, etc.all those named as influenced by Latin, and the Romans knew from the Greeks that the Earth was round so your theorical idea that the Earth was named planet after plan (plain or planicie) is based on your own imagination and not on scientific therms or historical and written agreement.

And planet is not a name, it’s a general name given to rounded (not flat) celestial bodies that are sized from around 4879 Km to 140,000 km in diameter, in this solar system alone.

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

EDIT; Extended comment that said: “see the curved shape the water drops have adopted.” Continued: Looking water up close, small amounts and drops resting on flat smooth surfaces, bead-up from the top side while the bottom side is flat against the smooth surface, (glass, ceramic tiles, leaves, waxed car paint, etc.) water drops and small amounts of of it bead-up as if stoped by gravity from forming into round drops of water… but when it drops from leaky faucets, while in the air, drops adopt a rounded shape because during that short time, gravity can’t shape it flat.

Natsujin
Natsujin
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

Also, you forgot to mention why Earth is called a globe. It’s called globular because it is a glob. I great big glob of water, and sand, and stone. I actually don’t know why it’s called globular, bit I still think that fits.

Tray
Tray
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

You’ve obviously never been to the ocean on a calm day. Yea, there are curves all over that water..wow. also curvature of a water droplet equals no body of water is flat…great scientific reasoning there…lol

JoeBlack
Reply to  Tray
1 year ago

Same reasoning as “water finds its own level” right?, but that depends on the amount of water!. The round shape of water drops is its real shape when gravity is not exerting an influence on its shape, and that condition can be found when water is dripping, dripping and bouncing of a still water surface, or when in space, astronauts can make water drops of large sizes, and also in planes when astronauts practice during plane dives. So, the real shape of water, when gravity is not an influence, is spherical.

JoeBlack
Reply to  Tray
1 year ago

An effect called “surface tension” is what makes water round and gravity flattens it. Droplets of water tend to be pulled into a spherical shape by the cohesive forces of the surface layer

Water & soap bubbles are round (spherical) because there is an attractive force called surface tension that pulls molecules of water into the tightest possible groupings. And the tightest possible grouping that water molecules can achieve is into a sphere. Of all possible shapes water could assume, a sphere has the smallest amount of outside area.

As soon as you release a bubble from your bubble pipe, surface tension makes the thin film of soapy water assume the smallest surface area that it can. It becomes a sphere. If you hadn’t deliberately trapped some air within it, the soapy water would continue to shrink down to a solid spherical droplet, as rain drops do, as hale does but wind and changing air temps on the way down disrupt the process, but hale never assumes a flat shape during free fall, no matter the size, it will be vaguely rounded, as its rounding process is interrupted by wind and changing air temperatures.   

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  bogart
3 years ago

A rocket is not “nothing”… and the rocket blast pushes against the rocket itself. Your understanding is that rockets work in the atmosphere because they push against the atmospheric air… but Wrong!! Physicist Isaac Newton explained it clearly.
https://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/newton.html
Full Moon during daytime is perfectly POSSIBLE in real global Earth. It wouldn’t be possible from every place on flat earth, that’s what flat-earthers should focus on and find the way to explain it.

On flat earth, Sun and Moon travel at different speeds, the Sun goes around once a day while the Moon goes around once each 28 days, meaning the sun passes the Moon by once each day, and at the farthest point from each other it should be full moon for a few hours once a day be it day or night. For the rest of world especially for those nearest to the Moon, it would be either of the four principal lunar phases: new moon, first quarter, full moon (for farthest point on Earth), and last quarter (also known as third or final quarter). But when the Moon is Full once a month, all people on Earth can see it Full from any point on the planet, and as well can see the four Lunar phases during the month, not every day as they would occur from different points on the planet every day.

Venus is closer to the Sun at 108 million kilometers from it, while Earth is 150 million kilometers from the Sun or 42 million kilometers farther than Venus. The Venus year is 225 days, Earth’s is 365 days. This means that Venus is 38% slower than Earth going around the Sun, so there is plenty of time during the year to see Venus at Dusk or Dawn when the Sun is behind the horizon, and Venus is viewable for a longer or shorter time before and after Sunset and Daybreak, depending on the point Venus is in its Orbit around the sun. At the farthest point from Earth (or on the other side of the Sun), the available time to see Venus should be shorter, and longer when its closer to Earth.. and this means Venus is visible as soon as the Sun has set behind the horizon far enough for the atmosphere to darken enough that the Sun’s light reflects from the side of Venus and makes it visible for us.

As the Venus goes past the horizon and is setting behind it, it can only be recovered with a telescope/binoculars while some of its reflected light is still visible with a telescope though not to plain eyesight… but after it has set far enough behind the horizon, nothing, not even the most powerful telescope can bring it back.

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

Edit; Aditional comment on parts illuminated by sunlight…
You can input the time and date of the year in this interactive day and night map, and see what parts of the Earth get illuminated by sunlight on any day of the year… compare the result with a flat earth map when the Sun is on the same spot, and see how the flat earth model fails flat.
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/sunearth.html

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

Correction: “This means that Venus is 38% slower than Earth going around the Sun”
I meant to say Venus is 38% faster orbiting the Sun than Earth. It also travels around the Sun faster than Earth (Venus 225 days at 125,664 kph vs Earth 365 days at 107,590 kph).

But this doesn’t make a difference as we can see Venus year round in the dark and darkened sky before sunrise and after sunset… this in itself is Evidence that the Earth is Spherical because on the flat earth model there would be no reason why Venus (or Mercury) should not be visible all night long. During the day Venus as well as the rest of the planets and stars disappears in the glare of the intense solar light… but at night on the flat earth, there would be no reason for the inner planets (Mercury and Venus) to disappear from our view… it only happens because they are on the other side of the Earth where it is daytime. Flat-earthers would apply this idea to their flat earth but in their fake reality the stars and planets are always 8000 or more Km above the flat earth and never near on or under the ground… and close caption videos and photos of stars circling both the north and south Poles show stars diving into the horizon… normal speed images and videos show stars filling the sky from straight up down to the horizon, and that would not be possible on the flat earth because at the altitude of 8000 kilometers, the dome would stop the stars from getting close to the south pole (or edge) because it would go down as it neared the edge of the flat earth, and it (the dome) would reach an altitude of 8000 kms at approximately 5000 kms from the edge… that would leave a dark void of 8000 Kms around the horizon, from the ground to the stars.

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

Addition to: “A rocket is not “nothing”… and the rocket blast pushes against the rocket itself. ”
That is part of the way rockets work be it within the atmosphere or out in space, but it’s not just simple (one-to-one or same impulse as rocket weight) impulse as flat-earthers obviously think!!. In that case they would be right, but the impulse has to be greater than the weight of the rocket to make it move and depending on how great the impulse is, is how fast it can travel either in the atmosphere or in space. We can often read how great the impulse is for a specific rocket and that should give us a clue but these people prefer to ignore specific details that contradict their irrational logic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_orbital_rocket_engines

Natsujin
Natsujin
Reply to  Joe Black
3 years ago

“The Venus year is 225 days, Earth’s is 365 days. This means that Venus is 38% slower than Earth going around the Sun”

That is incorrect. It is 38% FASTER than Earth, because it takes less days to go around the sun. Not only is it closer to the sun, meaning it takes less time to circle around it even if it were to go the same speed as Earth, but it’s also moving faster than Earth, which makes the years even faster than what they would be if Venus and Earth traveled at the same speed of 67,000 mph.

Joe Black
Joe Black
Reply to  Natsujin
2 years ago

I admit I was wrong in that estimation… but so were you… the information is readily available on Google search… they travel an average speed of
Venus 35.0 km/s
Earth 29.8 km/s
the difference in speed is only about 16.7% and Venus has to travel faster to escape the Sun’s gravity, which is stronger the closer to it a planet’s orbits it.

AndreH
AndreH
Reply to  bogart
3 years ago

You merely using confirmation bias willy nilly stating planet means plane.
Planet means wanderer.

Lastly, the shape of the earth is a hindrance to certain technologies which has to engineer around the obstacles of a curved earth.

Chriss Hester
Chriss Hester
Reply to  bogart
3 years ago

Okay I’m not a scientist but there are vessels that have flown outside of our atmosphere ie satellites that show a round planet from different angles are you telling me that they do not exist nor did not properly record the shape of planets?

Joshua Noriega
Joshua Noriega
Reply to  bogart
3 years ago

Planet means wanderer in Latin not “is flat”

rrggg
rrggg
Reply to  bogart
2 years ago

if u throw something in space it will go on forever unless it gets pulled by a celestial body{stars ,planets}

Old Musician
Old Musician
Reply to  bogart
2 years ago

You may never have studied physics or maths, but I can assure you that Newton’s 3rd law works just as well in a vacuum. If you sit on a rotating stool, extend your arms and then quickly move them to the side, your body will rotate in the opposite direction. For the air to be responsible for this, it would have to have very high viscosity or even be solid. You can hold a long narrow rod with virtually no air resistance and get the same effect. Your other error is about the moon’s visibility. Usually when you see a ‘full’ moon during the day, it is slightly less than a full moon. Occasionally, it is possible to see the full moon briefly close to the horizon during sunset or sunrise. If you bothered to draw a diagram for Venus’ orbit, and remember that an observer can see a half of the night sky, which changes throughout the night, it’s really simple to show how we CAN see Venus CLOS TO THE SUN’S position around sunset and sunrise, but NOT when its relative position to the sun is small. Water ISN’T flat. Every molecule is attracted by gravity by the same amount. Even the water in your bath is ever so slightly curved. You just aren’t able to see the curve because of the scale. Your last ‘argument’ about the word planet is silly. The ancient Greeks used the term ‘asters planetae’ for the planets because it meant ‘wandering stars’.
I would recommend buying a good science text book, rather than believing what uneducated internet users tell you. ALL of the science is consistent with the earth being a spherical (roughly) planet, and NOTHING has ever been presented to contradict this. Additionally, whether you want to accept it or not, many people from numerous countries have visited space and some are aboard the ISS right now. The number is increasing all the time and will continue to do so with space tourism. Do you really believe that the USA and the USSR were secretly colluding to pretend to be engaged in a space race at a time when they were sworn enemies?

joy clayton
joy clayton
Reply to  bogart
2 years ago

Good points. Seems flat to me.

Becca
Becca
Reply to  bogart
2 years ago

I can answer most of these questions.
1) rockets move via the utilisation of Newton’s third law.
2) I don’t really know all that much about astronomy, so someone else will have to answer that.
3) water property is actually that it’s shape changes to obey gravity or any other forces acting on it. So though it look flat it is in fact very, very slightly curved.
4) the word planet actually comes from the Ancient Greek word ‘planatace’ (don’t know if I spelt that correctly), which means wanderer. And it was actually first applied by the Ancient Greeks to the other planates in the solar system as they looked like moving (wandering) stars.
Hope this helps! I know you’re questions were rhetorical but at least you’ll be able to make a better theory next time.

round earther that doesnt have time for this
round earther that doesnt have time for this
Reply to  bogart
2 years ago

Actually, it is possible for there to be a full moon in daytime in the globe theory. The earth orbits around the sun. Its at an angle, the top facing away from the sun at an angle of about 23.5 degrees. The earth is kept in its orbit by the sun’s gravity. The moon is on a completely separate oribit, around the earth, kept in its path by the earth’s gravity. The earth’s tilt is responsible for the seasons becase the different parts of the earth are at different distances from the sun (source of heat and light). When you are farther away from the heat and light, its colder and darker. Venus also has its own orbit. When you are at a different place on the earth, what you can see in the sky is different. The curve of the earth…. mkay i gotta go.. byeeeee Plan is a latin root, and it does mean flat, the latin language is about 200 years older than the globe theory and the word planet is of greek origin, not latin. “Planet” comes from the Greek word “Planetia” (ἀστέρες πλανῆται) which means “wandering star”. Clearly, the Greeks weren’t referring to the flat earth theory.

Sokin7
Sokin7
Reply to  bogart
2 years ago

The word planet does not come from Latin. It comes from Ancient Greek. The root of the word is “Plani” which describes an object that is in constant move. It does not mean flat.

Kyle
Kyle
Reply to  bogart
2 years ago

And nobody’s ever noticed how many astronomical and terrestrial measurements come out to 666 in some form like the curvature of the earth 8in per mile convert 8 inches in to feet .666 in the Arctic and Antarctic circles we’re told Falls at 66.5628 degrees rounding that up which should be done and never is gives you 66.6 if they’re going to knock off the rest of the numbers but they don’t round it off at all and just say 66.5 and there’s a bunch a figures like that

Last edited 2 years ago by Kyle
scopeman82
scopeman82
Reply to  bogart
2 years ago

Venus can be seen as a morning star or evening star depending on if it’s on one side of the sun or the other in it’s orbit.
Ships do disappear over the horizon but sometimes that appears distorted because of refraction. The same thing that makes ships sometimes appear to hover above the water.
The word planet means wanderer.
The earth is a spheroid. Sorry

CHRISTIAN GARIBAY
CHRISTIAN GARIBAY
Reply to  bogart
2 years ago

Greek origin. Word was planan and it meant wanderer.

Justin Harvey
Justin Harvey
Reply to  bogart
1 year ago

Planet, means wonderer. I see a full moon during the day time all the time, when it is . Living in a Alaska, I see the sun ‘hug’ low upon the horizon, seeing a sunrise and sunset happen all within three hours. Summer, almost 24 hours of day light, never gets dark. If flat, how come I do not see the sun hovering over head in the far distance? Flat earth does not make sense.

Dr Rob Johnston
Dr Rob Johnston
Reply to  bogart
1 year ago

I absolutely AGREE that the Bible (OT AND NT!!!) says the Earth IS FLAT!
That’s just one of the many ways we know that the Bible is complete nonsense.
Sadly YOU are totally WRONG!
“Planet” is NOT from Latin, it is from Ancient GREEK — in which language “Planetos” means “wanderers”. NOTHING to do with “flat”!
Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn, seen from Earth, appear to move clockwise for a few months, then REVERSE direction and rotate anti-clockwise for a few months — hence “wanderers”!
This is a consequence of the different rates at which the planets circumnavigate the Sun.

Last edited 1 year ago by Dr Rob Johnston
Crystal
Crystal
Reply to  bogart
1 year ago

Would you like to see my picture of the moon in full daylight? I took it with my phone the other day… so, not impossible, saw it with my own eyes and then took a picture.

gcarp
gcarp
Reply to  bogart
1 year ago

planet comes from the greek word planetas which means wanderer based on the appearance of how the planets move over time dis-proportionally in the night sky compared to the stars, and I have watched venus set in the evening sky with a telescope and the image stays the same size as it passes beyond the horizon and becomes non-viewable

John
John
Reply to  bogart
1 year ago

Listen I’m in 7th grade and this the stupidest stuff I’ve ever heard the only reason you see water as flat is cause the earth is round and you see the water level cut off second do you see china if your in California cause I don’t
The flat earth theory wrong

Jeremy
Jeremy
Reply to  bogart
1 year ago

The word planet comes from the Greek for “wanderer” for that is what the planets Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn appeared to do, wander from constellation to constellation instead of staying in one particular place, like the stars seems to do. Nothing to do with flatness, sorry.

Brian Village
Brian Village
Reply to  bogart
1 year ago

Dude are you serious? You actually believe flerf nonsense? Bro go back to the 2nd grade, for real.

Alan 12K 747
Alan 12K 747
Reply to  bogart
1 year ago

Rockets don’t push on things, it is action and reaction. The burning of the fuel and oxidiser causes its rapid expansion and thu